The amazing thing about "No Sol Bonus" in PF is...

[Dererk]

I'll make you a challenge: try to form a learning party on PF.
No, really, go there, open up a recruitment, say on the comment you're a learning party and turn on the newcomers welcome" flag, for anything that's not T9 or T13.
Tell me when you're back after giving up on the vain hope of filling the party.

People who sneak in farm parties do that for a reason: they're the only shot they have at even HOPING to someday clear that content. Hell, it's the only shot they have of even SEEING the content. EVERY party in PF is one of:

• Crafter advertisement
• Run seller advertisement
• FATE party for Atmas or w/e
• Primal farming for light
• Farming parties in general

Fine

But from now on when I make a farm party I will accept no less than people with a max item level of 130 this shall include bards too because reasons dps checks.

But to be totally honest I'll probly forget your out burst here and continue with no bonus on these farms who knows.

[KitanaiKoneko]

I'm gonna assume he was a drg and wanted exclusive need on the neck? Or just didn't want a monk in there to roll on the head or belt?

At least there's possibly a reason :P I remember way back in 2.0 getting kicked out of titan hm parties just because I was a drg and my friend getting kicked out of them because she was a war.... >.>;

But, if it wasn't because he wanted loot and he just didn't want to raid with a MNK, he's an idiot. MNK is borderline OP in Final Coil if your group wasn't/isn't overgeared for any specific fight. Dragon Kick is that amazing.

[Aldehido]

Best thing about it it's that people assume that because a person has cleared something he's skilled and apply the negative concept the same way. They keep forgeting that THAT soldiery bonus they once had it and they clearly performed well in order to get it, or they bought it.

[Mercutial]

Again... so many get an "FC clear" and immediately set up farm parties. It's a disaster. Farm parties are first and foremost a static thing... as they greatly benefit from knowing the in's and out's of a group's composition in order to clear content numerous times as efficiently as possible.

Lucking out on mechanic RNG (and possibly even being carried) to attain a clear does NOT make one automatically ready for farm parties. As such, the "no SOL bonus" can be a bit misleading... though I do see it's benefit in some cases.

[RiceisNice]

Again... so many get an "FC clear" and immediately set up farm parties. It's a disaster. Farm parties are first and foremost a static thing... as they greatly benefit from knowing the in's and out's of a group's composition in order to clear content numerous times as efficiently as possible.

Lucking out on mechanic RNG (and possibly even being carried) to attain a clear does NOT make one automatically ready for farm parties. As such, the "no SOL bonus" can be a bit misleading... though I do see it's benefit in some cases.

There's always a story or context behind something. I put up 100 soldiery as an absolute deterrent for those who have not even touched the fight. It'll also say alot to me about an individual if they feel the need to sneak into a party that explciity has a no 100 soldiery tag; If they cant even be bothered to send me a tell or let the party know after joining, I'm going to assume they just wanted to sneak in to get their clear.

[Leadleaf]

I think people leaned on their static's voip and callout macros too hard in their progression. T10 "farms" were horrible because people could never react on time for their mechanic. I also believe there's many people switching roles and being blind to dealing with certain attacks they didn't have to pay attention to otherwise, gotta ride that N>G.

[Jamein]

I don't think anyone here is stating that the no sol bonus is a GOOD method to setup farm parties and to try to get experienced people, it is however our ONLY method. I'm fully aware of farm parties where no one has the bonus and it's one giant mess and you wonder how these people even cleared satasha normal.

The only other option is to say to someone hey link at least 3 items that drop from this run or you can't join, and we all know how many times we've done runs with zero drops.... friend of mine cleared t9 120+ times to get his bard coat, saw it drop TWICE in all of those runs, the first time he derped and walked out before it went in his inventory so then his never ending bad luck started and 100 runs later he got that coat. We will never let him live that one down, and I will never forget his cries of joy that he can finally have that....for a fucking glamour.

I also believe there's many people switching roles and being blind to dealing with certain attacks they didn't have to pay attention to otherwise, gotta ride that N>G.

I love doing t10-T12 in PF now on my monk, I main a tank for my static and all I can say is playing a melee dps feels so much more...relaxing? I have no idea why I'm not saying its easier but I found myself just having fun trying to beat my own DPS everytime.

[Mirakumi]

I agree most of the time when I join an EX DF group - especially in Levithan - People do GENERALLY want to win.
I also note that practice groups have a higher % of win than anything I've seen.
I've been in 5 of turn 10 FARM runs all which failed this week - because people have a mind set that once they beat it - its a "faceroll"
Compared to the practice ones that I've been in 5/8 which have won because they NEED it to progress.

[Tiggy]

Last I checked you do get sol for winning. It's called the win reward.

[Eidolon]

I love doing t10-T12 in PF now on my monk, I main a tank for my static and all I can say is playing a melee dps feels so much more...relaxing? I have no idea why I'm not saying its easier but I found myself just having fun trying to beat my own DPS everytime.

It's more focused.

With tank, you have to worry about:
Dodging/Handling mechanics mechanics
Knowing when you need mitigation
Your own DPS output
Your threat (Sometimes AoE)
Your rotation (WAR)
"Emergency" Cooldowns such as holmgang/Hallowed (Though T13 wrecks you on this, you need those up at specific points so you won't be randomly popping it to 'save your life' like the other turns.)


When DPS'ing, you:
Handle/dodge mechanics
Worry about your DPS
Your rotation