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    I think you're the one missing the point here, Kosmos. We in the Western world value our freedoms, all of them. Among the most fiercely protected of which is the internet. People've gone to some incredible lengths to keep the internet free of our mundane laws. And before you start bringing up the various hinky things that people have done online that wound up getting them incarcerated, understand that those police endeavors were done as part of efforts to collect tangible evidence before the arrests were made and not by independent organizations unrelated to police in any regard. ICANN is an independent organization that, while holding the keys to the IP domains vault, doesn't have any plans to ever infringe on the freedom of the internet. That would fly counter to what the internet is all about. Governments are not the same, hence the North Korea references.

    Now, Square is doing all it can to curtail the RMT problem, but they are trying to do so while not alienating their actual paying customers. They don't have very many pleasant options at their disposal, and they know full well that said options would be temporary nuisances to the RMT at best, potentially catastrophic inconveniences to their actual paying customers at worst. So the only non-damaging solution is to ban individual accounts as they are reported and remove the gil they're carrying from play. This is where we come in. Instead of knee-jerk blacklisting RMT and acting like they were never there we should instead endeavor to report them and THEN blacklist them and act like they were never there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    ICANN is an independent organization that, while holding the keys to the IP domains vault, doesn't have any plans to ever infringe on the freedom of the internet. That would fly counter to what the internet is all about. Governments are not the same, hence the North Korea references.
    More to the point: ICANN is an administrative organization, not an enforcement organization. ICANN will follow court orders. But it's the courts that make those kind of decisions, not ICANN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I think you're the one missing the point here, Kosmos. .
    No, no point being missed, and I'm from the UK and live in the US I am quite well versed in the civil freedoms and responsibilities we enioy in the West and to be honest, I believe I may value them more dearly than most. Freedoms and rights come with things called responsibilities, but I'm going to guess that thought will be lost on you. I deal with enough paranoia towards reasonable regulation of things where I work, to know it when I see it.

    The Internet has no laws because it was born in a lawless space, and grew faster than our collective ability to understand how to handle law enforcement online. No one had go to extereme lengths to ensure that the Internet is free from laws, mundane or otherwise. I'm beginning to suspect that some revisionist history has been applied to the Internet. Of course I've actually used the Internet since before it became the "internet", I've watchedit grow, I saw the idealism of the early days be swallowedup by ecommerce and a sesspit of filth.

    In all honesty, I feel that there is no point in discussing this with you any further considering the degree of misinformation you accept and promote as fact. So, having said my piece I will leave you to your alternate reality
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