New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[silverhope]

im not sure if this has been stated yet. but does everyone remember the game were playing? this is not wow we dont roll alts we lvl classes on one character. Most if not all of us have lvled a class we dont like to get abilitys for the class we DO like. how is this different? im sure there will be lvl 50 crossclass abilitys or maybe lvl 45. SO if a person want sto play drk than they shoudl start with pld or mrd for the crossclass skills. They will have to do it anyway in the future. If they want to lvl astro.. well guess what as a whm I lvled SCH to 50 for abilitys and i hate that class. Whats the difference here?

[Bluevann]

Whats the difference here?

That the new jobs will get access to cross class skills is a pure speculation. I for one believe they won't.

[Mugiawara]

He likes the great sword aspect of it, not the role itself. He's always played RPGs only because he is a great sword enthusiast. He doesn't need anything else to decide he loves a class.

No offense to your friend or anyone else that feels like it...but if you're hard-pressed about being one class, and one class only. [And before we get into bad semantic's JOB's in this case.]
Then I guess this isn't the game for them, and probably never will be. For your friend though; He's going to have to grit his teeth and bare with it for a while with a job he may not like and feel incredibly accomplished when they become DRK.
Just how it is. It's not going to change sadly, they're too far in to change anything right now so...I mean, has your friend even tried this game to see if he may like any job's at all?
I remember thinking bard would suck but I love it!

On a different note: I feel like people want everything that's in expansion, in the base game...Then there will be no point in the expansion.

[Bluevann]

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First off, thank you for keeping your tone civil. Twelve know if I've had enough cranky replies in this thread just for expressing my and my friend's feelings.


He hasn't tried this game yet, no. When it came out and he saw there were no great swords jobs, he preferred to stay in FFXI (where he still plays, I too have my XI account to join him once a week or so). I did tell him the store roughly, and though it doesn't excite him as much as some of FFXI's plots (he's a fan of Wings of the Goddess in particular. It's a very emotional story, with lots of friends dying and bad stuff happening. In XIV, this seems to occur only twice, and my summaries to him didn't impress him much.), he said it was interesting, but that he just didn't feel the charm without his favorite weapon available for use. To each their own, I guess? We're all attracted to a game for different reasons, that may be silly to the eyes of others. For example, I joined this game back in 2013 only because unlike in FFXI, here I am allowed to sit on chairs. I've spent most of beta just moving from place to place testing where I could sit >_>;

So yes, I can't really blame him for not feeling like paying a subscription to a game that has not the most necessary thing to provide him some enjoyment. The other day I asked him if he had completed the pre-order of the bundle and it turns out he hasn't (I have been telling him to do it since the sell sites were up). He's waiting to hear news about DRK and some official requirements, since even the information given by SE themselves is being contradictory. Oh well.

He also said that he wouldn't mind to do the MSQ on another job if the devs implemented a way to "reset" your MSQ progression back to 0. (To explain, in FFXI you can choose to restart rank missions, the FFXI version of MSQ, back to 0, long as you switch allegiance to another nation. Your character 'forgets' having defeated the Shadow Lord, and all the history repeats itself).

So, if SE gave him a way to, say, start in Gridania, get through 2.55, unlock DRK, and then "switch" to Ul'dah and make him able to redo all the MSQ back from lv1 as DRK, he'd be overjoyed. Because he really wants to see that story through as a DRK.

And before someone else suggests it AGAIN, no. Watching cutscenes through the Undending Journey is in no way the same thing. Just think of the Instanced Battles we can't even ever repeat (like killing the Inquisitor in Coerthas. He likes that part in particular).

[Theonekitten]

That's honestly my question, though. Referring to Dragoon as another example, the main NPC you interact with is found out in Coerthas. Currently jobs don't really have "guilds" to begin with, but they decided to use those for the new jobs while also placing them behind the gates of Ishgard. They could have placed the job quest NPCs out in Coerthas like they did with Dragoon, but they chose not to and for reasons that haven't been explained.

Maybe because those jobs are basically unknown to us until we enter Ishgard? Maybe the Ishgardians feel safer behind their walls and don't want to mingle with Coerthians just yet. Who's to say that things won't change with an update down the road once we are fully active in the Heavensward areas? Anything can happen.

[Theonekitten]

He also said that he wouldn't mind to do the MSQ on another job if the devs implemented a way to "reset" your MSQ progression back to 0. (To explain, in FFXI you can choose to restart rank missions, the FFXI version of MSQ, back to 0, long as you switch allegiance to another nation. Your character 'forgets' having defeated the Shadow Lord, and all the history repeats itself)..

Well, if he's played FFXI then he knows that he had to wait til he was level 30 on another class to get Dark Knight. He didn't get that one right away either. The good thing about XIV over XI though is at least once he unlocks it, he's starting at 30 and not at 1 like you did in XI so he can continue the MSQ with DRK (MSQ doesn't get really good til after level 40 anyways imo lol). Also, levelling from 1-30 in this game is a joke and takes no time at all to accomplish. He can get that done in the first week he's playing.

[Mirakumi]

Why not just watch the MSQ in the Inns? You can change to the class you want and choose a section bam, your in the MSQ.

You can do what I did with Uncharted. Grab some popcorn, pull up a chair and watch a movie.

Also some people might end up kicking your bud solely for watching the cutscenes and lagging behind. I wouldn't but I see people in Dungeon Discussion complain about Prae Prae all the time.

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His friend wants to play with the weapon and could do so in FFXI from my understanding. So to him it wasn't a big deal.

Though I honestly believe you can get to 50 without doing the MSQ at all. At least you have to go to first 15 to get airships but then after your free. Honestly people grind Fates 15-50 without entering a dungeon all the time. Mostly we call these people DD

[Bluevann]

Well, if he's played FFXI then he knows that he had to wait til he was level 30 on another class to get Dark Knight. He didn't get that one right away either. The good thing about XIV over XI though is at least once he unlocks it, he's starting at 30 and not at 1 like you did in XI so he can continue the MSQ with DRK (MSQ doesn't get really good til after level 40 anyways imo lol). Also, levelling from 1-30 in this game is a joke and takes no time at all to accomplish. He can get that done in the first week he's playing.

I've explained it to someone else before, but on FFXI you can use Great Sword from the start, because Warrior is a starting job and can use Great Sword. ^^; He just used GS-War till he was able to unlock DRK. And as of now, the news (as you can read from the title of this thread), is that XIV DRK will require lv50 and 2.55 completion to unlock. So IF this is how it'll be, he's gonna miss all the good part of the MSQ as DRK :/

Why not just watch the MSQ in the Inns?

I've already replied to that, at the bottom of my previous post. Cutscenes are not the only kick of doing the MSQ, battles are too. Some duties can be repeated, but there's many instanced battles that we never get to experience again.

Again, an option to reset the MSQ would probably be a solution to our plea.

[Mirakumi]

I2.55 completion to unlock.

The only way I'm going to see a way around this is if he skips every single cutscene in the game, and just watches it again as DRK in the INN. They have the non CGI ones in the INN so it's not impossible for him to get the feel of it.

It just sucks he'll have to skip everything to get what he wants to experience.

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Why not just make him go afk and carry him through the battle so he technically wasn't there for the first time?
I mean this sounds SUPER ridiculous even to me but if It's able to get him the feel by re-doing the dungeons once DRK is unlocked himself - it might be worth it.

[LineageRazor]

Why not just make him go afk and carry him through the battle so he technically wasn't there for the first time?
I mean this sounds SUPER ridiculous even to me but if It's able to get him the feel by re-doing the dungeons once DRK is unlocked himself - it might be worth it.

How does this even help? They're talking about battles that can't be repeated, not things like dungeons or primals which can. Solo instanced battles. Doing stuff like defeating Roaille (the traitorous vice-commander of the Immortal Flames) and her Imperial allies can never be done as a Machinist, for instance.

What's really infuriating about the situation is that there's no good reason for it. SE COULD have placed the "mentors" for the new jobs in places accessible before doing Main Scenario (Astrologian at the Observatorium, for instance), but they apparently did not. It's also puzzling as to why any player would support the decision that was made - and yet there are many doing exactly that, in this very thread. Players defend it, saying, "It's not a big deal" or "We'll all be ready for it anyway", but no one has a good reason as to why gating the new jobs like this ENHANCES the FFXIV:ARR experience. Because it doesn't enhance anything: for current players, it's totally neutral, and for new players, it's a big negative.

Possibly the closest that could be said that would be a positive, is that it gives players something to look forward to - a reward for getting through all the story content up to Heavensward. It's not necessary that the jobs be that reward, though; there's plenty of other rewards that make a lot more sense, and do less to alienate new players (things like access to new dungeons, new areas, and new equipment).