New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Catwho]

I thought the split was a decision to not have us do the depressing end of 2.55 and then get told, "Now go play in the Gold Saucer!"

As it is, the XIV Tumblr community had a hard time getting into the Easter event last week.

[Noxifer]

The "what if a new player wants to play DRK" comparison is pointless. What if a new player wants to wear the 2nd Coil gear cause it looks cool? Should SE give that also at level one?

I don't think anyone (outside of people who have misunderstood everything that's been going on in FFXIV news) is arguing for the jobs to be available from level 1. Jobs are jobs and not classes, even if these are classless jobs (and even Rogue wasn't available at lvl1). But there's a huge difference between 'unlocks by having a class/job at level 30' as Yoshi P said and 'unlocks by levelling up to 50 and going through ALL the main story up to date' as his statement was corrected to.

The fact that Yoshi P even mentioned getting the jobs and doing the MSQ with them doesn't make things better, either. Even if he had misunderstood the information he'd been given. Like several people have said, if I buy the game+expansion because the Machinist looks awesome and I want to play one -- or at least try it out -- I don't want to level up as a class/job I'm not nearly as interested in, gear them up and go through hours of quests that I won't be able to do again, just to get a chance to try it out.

As for 'these are advanced jobs that you should know the game in order to play well'.... even if you gain the job at level 30-ish, you're still going to have to go through all those MSQ, which will give you time to learn your job. Just because someone has levelled up SMN and learned that job/role doesn't mean they're automatically a superb SCH. I main WAR -- I'm a craptastic PLD. And despite having experience with those two jobs, I will still have to learn Dark Knight from basics. So I'm not entirely sure what the point is.


As a side-note, however, I have several alts who haven't gotten far at all in the MSQ. I have a Lala who's still working on unlocking his chocobo. It'll be interesting to see how far towards lvl60 the MSQ will take that Lala XD

[Voltyblast]

if I buy the game+expansion because the Machinist looks awesome and I want to play one -- or at least try it out -- I don't want to level up as a class/job I'm not nearly as interested in, gear them up and go through hours of quests that I won't be able to do again, just to get a chance to try it out.

Exactly this: the strength of an expansion is the new things that people want to try out, but locking them behind a ridiculously long quest chain doesn't make the new player want to try it at all, resulting in them not even bothering at all unless they're patient or have a lot of help, and even then it requires a lot of time and people (who will most likely be busy with new content) to even complete them. A new player will most likely buy the game with expansion, yet they are essentially going to be blocked as soon as they reached 50 because "they still have to complete the previous content", and this is the main issue that everyone should focus on: the new players.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

As a new player myself - I will say that I felt completely rushed leveled through the dungeons. I started a month ago. If I never had any help (people literally buying me gear and doing stuff for me.) the rush would of been miserable. The story is absolutely dull and boring but I love playing with my friends.

However, having to pretty much "skip" through all the quests just to get to the ones you want to do isn't fun. The story shouldn't start at 2.0 for new players it should start after 2.55 if they choose.

They can be "related" to main heroes some how, however it is a pain. If I had a work or job It would of taken me months to do the main storyline quests, I basicly did them by just playing every day for 14 hours a day.

A normal average player does not have that time. So yes its a HUGE issue!

You want to play a game because your friends play it, however if your going to have to play for 14 hours a day for days trying to play unfun "catch up" your not going to sell your game.

Its 20$+Expansion Cost+Sub Cost (Especially if your a casual player.)

When I learned I had to do even more quests after 50 I took a break from the game, frustrated with playing "Catch up" I just want to play with my friends, not hear them discuss how awesome they are or what they are doing. You say you have to "work" for it, but why work for it when I can work in real life and get payed for it? Why should I give people money to work?

[Voltyblast]

And your concern is what everyone should understand here: this will hinder new players and those who simply hoped to play the expansion's content. As a veteran player that started on 2.0 I can't really say much and infact this situation doesn't stop me from progressing at all, but if I was a new player I wouldn't even bother starting the game, even with full help of my friends, because I would just pester them constantly in order to "finish my main quest, so I could get into heavensward".

I'm not saying that nobody can help but, again, people will most likely do new content (because they want it, and because they paid for it), while you WILL be left out until you either finish your story, or until someone comes out and helps finishing your part of the story. And remember that you'd still need to pay the subscription for it.

And all of this could be simply resolved by making the 2.00 story optional to follow, making those new players after in 3.00 to start from where they left off in a sort of "recap" from the previous content. I would actually be "wanting" to complete that content even more knowing that it's tied to the expansion, if it wasn't completely mandatory to complete.

[Viridiana]

I'm not saying that nobody can help but, again, people will most likely do new content (because they want it, and because they paid for it), while you WILL be left out until you either finish your story, or until someone comes out and helps finishing your part of the story. And remember that you'd still need to pay the subscription for it.

Because SE doesn't have the foresight to keep the roulettes relevant, right? I mean, the roulette is what's keeping the low-level dungeons doable even now. I see no reason to believe that the roulettes will die off just because an expansion launches.

[RukiaFae]

Soooo I had to play the full story, pay my monthly subscription, level up other jobs to 50, couldn't move on until I beat certain dungeons, and I still have to wait a few months until I can play the new content. You expect new people to access to the jobs and new content right off the bat, yea ok. They need to work for it like everyone else did. What makes them so special that they get skip content when I couldn't. That would be a slap in the face to everyone else who to had to work for it. Sure they can make things easier so it will be faster to catch up, like they do with patches. But skipping the story, heck no. If they want to play the new stuff then they can buy it and start working on it and be caught up by June.

[Blueyes]

/facepalm

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[Viridiana]

Well, from the Letter, it seems they're going to be adjusting 2.0 content when 3.0 launches. No details yet, but I don't doubt they'll be facilitating new players' completing the story. We do know that 3.0 is when they'll be letting people queue with fewer people, which will already help with the queue times.

[Namasu]

As a new player myself - I will say that I felt completely rushed leveled through the dungeons.....
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The story is absolutely dull and boring

That's your opinion and fine but...

However, having to pretty much "skip" through all the quests just to get to the ones you want to do isn't fun.

Why bother continuing if it isn't fun for you? You already deemed the story boring and dull so why do you have an issue with skipping through quests to catch up with your friend?

You want to play a game because your friends play it, however if your going to have to play for 14 hours a day for days trying to play unfun "catch up" your not going to sell your game.

You made the decision to play the gotta-go-fast-rush-and-catch-up-to-everyone mode which isn't really how FF14 is intended to be play for people new to the game, genre or the franchise itself.

You say you have to "work" for it, but why work for it when I can work in real life and get payed for it? Why should I give people money to work?

The game is an RPG that heavily emphasizes player progression. You have to follow the order to a good extent. If you feel like the game is making you do such laborious "work" then the game is probably not for you and you should convince your friend(s) to play something else that you all can enjoy.