White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

[Raminax]

If a healer attributes their success to their choice of secondary stats, then they're either the most humble person I know or THAT guy who uses Steel Cyclone on single targets.

[rawker]

i play both healers and all i can say is that whms are not, in any way, inferior to that of schs. having both in a raid is very much welcomed. heck even having a smn in a raid for me is better since they act as backup res. i guess it all boils down to player preference and skill.

[Cariborne]

I play both Healers, and I much prefer the Scholar simply because of how they play. While I personally hate the White Mage as I find them "just like every other MMO Healer" thats also what their shine is. They're the same, strong, and reliable Healer we have gotten in every MMO ever. They have strong heals, nearly every secondary stat is good for them, they have strong buffs with Protect and Stoneskin II. They're what you think of when you think of a Healer.

Then you have the Scholar, they focus more on Mitigating then actual healing the damage. A well timed Shield will prevent a fair chunk of damage, but will never be as strong as a Cure II. What they bring is free healing in the form of Lustrate and a Fairy, on top of spammable shields and a huge MP Pool, and more DPS. If you know the content, they're better it's true. But to say the White Mage is gimp is laughable. You need both, they work best when working together. Double Scholar isn't fun, Double White Mage I find much stronger, but White Mage and a Scholar are by far the best.

[Yare]

I checked out the shared healer gears to see if Vlady's claim about WHM benefiting from shared healer gears stands. This is what I found.

When Ilv90 was highest and the myth tome gear was class specific, all the shared healer's accessories (Hero's belt, ring, earrings, necklace and bracelet) have crit as the secondary. Allagan gears from first coil was a mixed of det, crit, and ss. So SCH could get a full set of crit accessories through myth tomes while WHM needed to grind coils and extreme primals for SS and det accessories.

When ilv110 was the highest item level, most daystar were crit while accessories were ss and det. HA was a mix of ss, det, crit. ST gears were also a mix of crit, ss, and det. I actually played WHM with daystar crit gears in SCOB until HA dropped for me.

Currently Ironwork and dreadwyn are a mix of crit, det, and ss. My SCH friends who now farm FCOB have about 80% gears with crit. I have mostly SS and a bit of det and a bit of crit.

[Vlady]

I checked out the shared healer gears to see if Vlady's claim about WHM benefiting from shared healer gears stands. This is what I found.

When Ilv90 was highest and the myth tome gear was class specific, all the shared healer's accessories (Hero's belt, ring, earrings, necklace and bracelet) have crit as the secondary. Allagan gears from first coil was a mixed of det, crit, and ss. So SCH could get a full set of crit accessories through myth tomes while WHM needed to grind coils and extreme primals for SS and det accessories.

When ilv110 was the highest item level, most daystar were crit while accessories were ss and det. HA was a mix of ss, det, crit. ST gears were also a mix of crit, ss, and det. I actually played WHM with daystar crit gears in SCOB until HA dropped for me.

Currently Ironwork and dreadwyn are a mix of crit, det, and ss. My SCH friends who now farm FCOB have about 80% gears with crit. I have mostly SS and a bit of det and a bit of crit.

And if you will just go around and check out most white mages in Mor Dhona you will find they are wearing gear with spell speed and det because Ironworks is the easiest way to level up outside of raids. Range is an issue on its own but just because more people do not shoot for BIS does not mean that the statement is any less true. You can still perform every raid in this game using just one set of gear which more then not is what I see itleast on Balmung. I see both white mages and scholars using ironworks and WOD gear because its more easily accessed.

White mages have just raw healing and that is about it. In Odin runs when I am queued with double scholar I have had more success then not with meeting dps checks because scholars can maintain higher dps numbers despite what some people claim white mages being able to contribute similiar numbers. A combination of dots and sustained healing from fairies allows scholars to maintain more easily sustained dps over a white mage which would be going in and out of cleric stance much more often.

Also in single target healing scholars do provide stronger punch then white mage cure 3. Adlo+rouse fairie can easily top 4500+ when you include the galvanize shield.

[Yare]

-.-a Read what you wrote about WHM and gear. And I already said in my previous post that I did not think the gears would affect a player's ability to do contents.

I have found more players play WHM than SCH on my server and another server. I have found the number of gears benefits SCH's are comparable to WHM. So whether gears are class specific or not will not really impair or buff a class. Even if SE does ever buff WHM, you will still insist WHM sucks. You dismiss WHM's strength and keep magnifying SCH's strength beyond it's actually practical uses. BTW, Cure 3 isn't WHM's best single target heal, it is WHM strongest instant aoe when swift cast was used. Divine seal and presence of mind exist. No wonder you think WHM sucks because you have such poor knowledge about WHM's spells and CDs.

Odin fight is so yesterday. Cleared it with another WHM easily w/o any knowldge of the fight the first day it is out. Yes, we did it differently from dual SCH. But we did clear it easily. *shrug*

You did not even answer questions posted by Ghishlain and DarkmoonVael because you don't have answers for those.

Silly Yare, none of your FCOB SCH friends share this guys' opinions and views about WHM. Go do something more productive such as teaching a cat who is the pet and who is the owner.

[Ghishlain]

Also in single target healing scholars do provide stronger punch then white mage cure 3. Adlo+rouse fairie can easily top 4500+ when you include the galvanize shield.

If you think Cure 3 is designed for single target healing, you're sadly mistaken - and thus putting another nail in the coffin of your credibility.

Cure 3 is designed for short ranged targeted heal bombs and works great for some raid mechanics that require your team to generally stick together for maximum coverage (Like Titan EX, Enrage ADS, Shiva EX, or if you just happen to have one hell of a melee centric party). It is NOT designed for single target healing.

With that being said, I don't think anyone here disputed SCH having a better single target heal.

My WHM can Cure II with Divine Seal for 4,700 HP on a Crit. [Edit] Also add a crit Regen for 870 to get a total of around 5,570.
My SCH that can Adlo crit 1,700 (eHP of 5,100) while still putting out an Embrace from a Rouse'd fairy for 1,350 for a total of 6,350. [Edit] Add Lustrate to that for at least 2,000 HP on an i130 tank and you're looking at 8,350 eHP.

Clearly, SCH wins, period.

But again, no one is debating SCH has a better single target heal versus WHM. They're debating the fact you (1) do not acknowledge the power a WHM brings to a group via raw heals / AoE heals and (2) that you cannot defend your position that SCHs as so over powered that there is no reason to bring a WHM to anything.

Also, please explain clearly why gear should be separated. Explain clearly why WHM needs their own gear set compared to SCH, because clearly myself and several others do not understand your logic at this juncture.

So, your move, Mr. SCH Fanboy.

[Edit] Why am I still doing this? I must be quite a masochist.

[mp-please]

My WHM can Cure II with Divine Seal for 4,700 HP on a Crit. [Edit] Also add a crit Regen for 870 to get a total of around 5,570.
My SCH that can Adlo crit 1,700 (eHP of 5,100) while still putting out an Embrace from a Rouse'd fairy for 1,350 for a total of 6,350. [Edit] Add Lustrate to that for at least 2,000 HP on an i130 tank and you're looking at 8,350 eHP.

And the funny thing, HPS is useless on this game. While sch can heal more on single target, there isn't a single situation ingame that will require a sch to burst heal the tank or anyone in the party.
The shielding/higher healing capability is there so the sch can cleric stance dance to dps, not for actual spam.

[SooChe]

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Lol. I hope you get all scholars from today onwards. May no whm join your party.

[KarstenS]

If you would actually read my correction I meant the first coils of bahamut and not just turn 1.

Makes the content of what you write not better.

It is correct that in BCoB and SCoB is no really tight separatioin, what is meant to be done by SCH and what is for WHM. Most stuff can be done by both. But like expected in a learning curve, in FCoB it gets more and more tight and its clearly noticable, there is stuff for SCH and there is stuff for WHM. Especially in T13, where you need much migitation + heavy raw group healing to survive the next heavy group dmg some seconds later.