Is it time for SE to give PLDs a good bump in terms of DPS?

[Fyce]

Is it time for SE to give PLDs a good bump in terms of DPS?

Short answer is: no.

Long aswer is: Heavensward is less than 3 months away. A balance patch for Lv.50 tanks would be pointless right now, without any kind of knowledge of what's to come (both regarding the new skills and with the Dark Knight place in the tanking meta). Besides, the differences between PLD and WAR right for the current content are not a problem, so adjusting them now would achieve almost nothing.

[Wintersandman]

instead of increasing pld dps why don't they just lower war dps...

Why would anyone lower dps? That is just silly.

[TouchandFeel]

I'm still in the camp of

- Yes do increase PLD MT dps, but in a more roundabout way. Essentially give them a CD or trait Bulwark so that when an attack is blocked, it does damage to the attacker. That would increase MT damage while minimizing OT dps gains. Only problem with this is they could still get these gains if MTing in SwO, which could potentially mess up SwO vs. Defiance-Off dps balance. Another potential is traiting Shield Swipe so that it does extra damage IF in ShO, which would essentially do what the previous idea was, just would have to be activated manually and would limit gains solely to ShO. Something along those lines I feel would be a better route to increasing PLD MT dps, while making it function differently than WAR and very uniquely PLD.

- Yes, I would love the Oaths to be taken off the GCD. Putting in a short CD on the oaths like Defiance has would be fine with me.

These types of changes I wouldn't expect until the expansion though as the new post 50 abilities may address such things.

[chidarake]

i wouldn't say pld needs a boost really, i don't do the math but ive noticed my attacks are getting pretty strong and im not even in full 130 gear, but i do have melded 110 right side, although there geared more for war than pld, probs should make another set. ive never had issues with holding hate but then ive never tried in raid with an equally geared war going full out.

however i did have to hold back quite abit the other day tanking t10 because the war i was with wasn't generating as much hate as me. not that he was bad cus actually he was great but we just had a difference in gear mainly he was using shiva axe and me zeta.

since i don't use a parser i don't know what my output was, it was also my first time tanking but i know my second run with an equally geared pld i could push my dps more, even though i was mt for back end of fight because of how mechanics went. would of been nice to see the difference in performance of both groups.


I also would like to see oaths of cd without mp cost or atleast reduced mp cost. if they had a delay they may not be as useful as you think as sometimes you only want to be in sho or swo for a very short period of time, and a cd may effect it in a bad way. especially anything beyond 5secs. also the mp used needs to be regenerated potentially if we need to switch oaths often which affects dps.

[Giantbane]

- Yes, I would love the Oaths to be taken off the GCD. Putting in a short CD on the oaths like Defiance has would be fine with me.

Just to clarify, I think the PLD oaths should work exactly like the NIN venoms currently do (off GCD, don't interrupt combos, using one puts both on 5s cooldown).

In terms of extra DPS only available in ShO, someone had suggested having spirits within ignore the shield oath damage reduction. I think that and circle of scorn both ignoring shield oath would allow for a reasonable boost without effecting anything else.

[SpookyGhost]

So... why are we increasing PLD ShO DPS again? Is there like... a reason or...? Are PLD's just jealous that they don't have literally everything?

[Ditto]

Are PLD's just jealous that they don't have literally everything?

About sums it up.

[Giantbane]

So... why are we increasing PLD ShO DPS again? Is there like... a reason or...? Are PLD's just jealous that they don't have literally everything?

Well, if my math is somewhat correct, then having CoS & Spirits ignore the ShO reduction only provides a 11 potency/GCD boost. This still puts them slightly behind a SP > BB only WAR. As you pointed out, this is not something that a half decent WAR is going to be doing very often (or at all) in practice. Seems reasonable.

[Perzeval]

If you are going to give PLD something like unchained, why not give WAR a shield as well?

On a serious note: if you are complaining about the low DPS in Shield oath, then just tank in Sword oath with 110 melded accessories, use FoF and Bulwark together (= high potency shield swipe spam) and watch your DPS skyrocket. Use defensive cooldowns before big hits. It's so easy to reach 350+ DPS with a Paladin MT in FCoB I could cry.

[Kuurei]

Guess if you really want to DPS while tanking, use all vit/parry melds and have a Det focused atma, then go yolo-SwO in all fights, even the ones where ShO is blatantly superior.

...Who am I kidding, no, don't increase paladin DPS. Instead give them more tanking utility, like Damage Shields and stuff -- preferably stackable with Eye for an Eye from Sch/Smn.