[Spoilers] Disappointed at lack of phasing in storyline

[TruebladeNuke]

Yet another thread revolving around Patch 2.55 storyline content...

Whoever said it earlier was right: This whole assassination plot event has got people behaving as bad, if not worse, than the time of the death of Aerith in FF7, which has even been brought up in here.

The theories are just flying everywhere! To the point of which it's making my head spin! I was seriously hoping this whole "Aerith can be revived/isn't dead!" type of discussion had ceased to exist, but here it is again in full force. >_<

By the time Heavensward comes around, I'm expecting to see completely insane theories that are so far out there, it'll make me just want to ignore any thread pertaining to these discussions for the next 3 months.... or bring popcorn and watch the chaos unfold.

[Hioki]

It's still all speculation.

It's reaching hard. She would also need some significant purpose for coming back. TBH even if they bring her back as a sleeping corpse what value is she to anyone? "It's ok guys I still control 90% of the city but let's keep the coma'd lala so I can use her as an excuse to do what I want... when I can already do what I want." There is also the case that they announced her death in a party full of people. Who they, should, fully expect to spread the news within their circles and eventually out to the masses. There is a higher likelihood the girl is pushing daisies than a coma patient. The only way people would be satisfied would be giving her a 'proper' burial. Even then someone is gonna cry foul unless they see a decaying corpse and her spirit hovering over telling everyone she is officially dead.

I will agree that there is a pretty high likelihood the scions didn't die. They've survived worse. We also didn't see any bodies or reaching out of hands to the WoL while holding their neck in a choking fashion, weeping and crying as they breathed their last. There's that too, you know.

Heck maybe the other lala(teledi) is alive. I mean we only saw him fall over. Maybe he just fainted in panic from Raubhan's bloodlust. We never checked for a pulse and confirmed his dead body. We were all escaping and such. Everybody's alive! No harm, no foul! Except an arm...

[Wildsprite]

It's reaching hard. She would also need some significant purpose for coming back. TBH even if they bring her back as a sleeping corpse what value is she to anyone? "It's ok guys I still control 90% of the city but let's keep the coma'd lala so I can use her as an excuse to do what I want... when I can already do what I want." There is also the case that they announced her death in a party full of people. Who they, should, fully expect to spread the news within their circles and eventually out to the masses. There is a higher likelihood the girl is pushing daisies than a coma patient. The only way people would be satisfied would be giving her a 'proper' burial. Even then someone is gonna cry foul unless they see a decaying corpse and her spirit hovering over telling everyone she is officially dead.

bah I think you're just so determined that she is dead that you can't see the holes in the story enough to realize she likely isn't.
you keep arguing things that didn't happen, she did not change color. To bring another argument here Nanamo is a beloved character, that enough would be to keep enough details out to be able to bring her back if you wanted to.

I think you just want Nanamo to be dead to validate your own arguments at this point

[Hioki]

There's a reason why Game Theory "is just a theory". FYI, theory does not mean it's fact.

An extremely good theory ;o It's always worth bringing up any time there is a maybe she's dead, maybe she isn't.

[Kallera]

I'd prefer it if Nanamo stayed dead. The Status Quo of the 3 nations is terribly weak nations in regional conflicts that can't keep their own borders safe., they need things to shake them up.

[Hioki]

bah I think you're just so determined that she is dead that you can't see the holes in the story enough to realize she likely isn't.
you keep arguing things that didn't happen, she did not change color. To bring another argument here Nanamo is a beloved character, that enough would be to keep enough details out to be able to bring her back if you wanted to.

I think you just want Nanamo to be dead to validate your own arguments at this point

She is pretty worthless as a plot character though. She's easily the weakest leader politically. She even tells you how much of a failure the political environment has been with her in 'power'. I think people only like her 'cause she's a lala. >.>
Her death wasn't shocking and probably the most predictable. The story can only really get better when she isn't in any form of power. TBH, I'm expecting some garlean influence in Ul'dah at some point with lolorito betrayed/killed over a petty demand. Now that would be something.

I think you just want Nanamo to be dead to validate your own arguments at this point.

Yes! Yes, I would love her to be dead! Not to just validate my arguments but because we might see a good story come out of it. Her being dead is a fantastic plot device!

you keep arguing things that didn't happen, she did not change color.

What else am I arguing that didn't happen? After rewatching, I was mistaken on the color it was lighting playing tricks on me. She was not grey, but she is most definitely dead.

[Wildsprite]

She is pretty worthless as a plot character though. She's easily the weakest leader politically. She even tells you how much of a failure the political environment has been with her in 'power'. I think people only like her 'cause she's a lala. >.>
Her death wasn't shocking and probably the most predictable. The story can only really get better when she isn't in any form of power. TBH, I'm expecting some garlean influence in Ul'dah at some point with lolorito betrayed/killed over a petty demand. Now that would be something.

some players are speculating that she is infact Tataru and that the one we watched fall to the floor was one of her handmaidens in disguise....I love theories players can come up with.

She was not grey, but she is most definitely dead.

we never get any proof of that, none. what we do see is an NPC that could otherwise have fainted. oh and some liquid on the floor with a goblet and her crown. the only thing we get about her being dead is from Teledji barging in with guards which proves he knew something was up. and the traitor Ilberd telling Raubahn that he killed her. but what we never get is any actual proof she is dead. nothing.

look you could be right, maybe she is dead but you are arguing without any proof of it. only speculation.

[Hioki]

some players are speculating that she is infact Tataru and that the one we watched fall to the floor was one of her handmaidens in disguise....I love theories players can come up with.

That would be something lol. Did we even know if she had another handmaiden? Nanamo also seems too far under lock and key that she would be able to get out as Tataru to do secretarial work. I think she was able to get out to visit the tree early on but I remember a lot of guards were on alert looking for her.

[Aeyis]

some players are speculating that she is infact Tataru and that the one we watched fall to the floor was one of her handmaidens in disguise....I love theories players can come up with.

Nanamo and Tataru have completely different personalities. No idea what they are basing the assumption on.

[Nutz]

As far as Nanamo being dead or not, I suppose it could go either way, but I lean heavily toward her being dead. There are several reasons. Firstly, her being poisoned in some nonlethal manner makes no sense at all. If they wanted her alive they could have just detained her and the WoL the way the did and acted out the entire rest of the story in the same fashion. The only difference would be whether or not the WoL thinks she's dead, but it doesn't really seem as though the WoL was meant to leave the city at all so what would that matter?

On top of that, the WoL was to be framed (as stupid an idea as it is) so there should be something to frame him/her for. Framing the WoL for weakly poisoning the sultana would be a very bizarre move. Further, the syndicate obviously wanted to remove Nanamo. She was already a puppet, so if they merely wanted to control her/ ignore her 'power' they didn't need to do anything. There are also now several powerful people who at least think she's dead and should be expected to at least act as if she is dead. This especially doesn't seem to play into the Syndicate's hand if she is in fact alive.

The second she said she wanted to abdicate and form a democracy you could see she would likely never live to do it (2 patches ago I think). Keeping her alive (even if she was spirited away by allies and healed) would have to serve some purpose to the story. I can't imagine what that might be considering the circumstances. If she'd gone through with her original intentions she'd no longer be an important, powerful character. So keep her alive such that she can fulfill her ambition of becoming irrelevant?

I could be wrong, though. Perhaps the assassination attempt (that I think even she saw coming a mile away) would have lit a fire in her and changed her stance. Maybe she was/ will be healed by allies and removed from the city only to return and try to retake the throne whilst removing the syndicate and their ilk entirely. Maybe that's what the other GC leaders did while fleeing, though I doubt it.

EDIT: for the way they handled Ul'Dah and Mor Dhona -- I think it's fine. A bit too convenient I suppose, but it makes some sense at least. I wish they'd done a bit more I guess. Obviously they can change out any non-vital NPCs based on player progress and that would have allowed for a pretty different environment. I think actually allowing combat in the city might have been difficult technically, and confusing for other players. Actually phasing the city into alternative zones for that purpose might have worked or been even more confusing. It really depends on how much they value character interaction within the city. Though I think beating up some brass blades and crystal braves might have been fun, I think the experience would prove annoying after the first week or two of not being able to walk through (let alone AFK in) Ul'Dah and Mor Dhona.