Masterbooks 2 after 2.55 - good news )

[Alx789]

I found out that one of most often published rotation - http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ecipie_book_2/
(Needs 3 ToTs up, 10 iq stacks under good byregot, 11iq stacks under normal byregot) will finish with more than 60% success probability. So, if thre are 11 iq stacks it may be better to finish and return 1 piece of fc3 from Talan if failed to hq

[Ronivan]

Gettting all 2nd master books was the most disgusting experience in my life in this game. While doing the rotation I noticed something, the game favors a lot your failure. To get one single materia with 11% needs more than 30 tryes while missing with 90% happend amazing hundreds of time doing the rotations. I don't even want to talk about Hasty Touch, the skill talks for itself. Reclaim also is a failed more often with 801 Difficulty itens than any before, 3 to 5 times it failed for me, costing a small foturne with FD-III. I hope the next books are not this horrible, because I will suffer this horrible experience again.

[GenJoe]

Gettting all 2nd master books was the most disgusting experience in my life in this game. While doing the rotation I noticed something, the game favors a lot your failure. To get one single materia with 11% needs more than 30 tryes while missing with 90% happend amazing hundreds of time doing the rotations. I don't even want to talk about Hasty Touch, the skill talks for itself. Reclaim also is a failed more often with 801 Difficulty itens than any before, 3 to 5 times it failed for me, costing a small foturne with FD-III. I hope the next books are not this horrible, because I will suffer this horrible experience again.

But that's the whole point behind manual II tokens..
It's to provide a challenge that not everybody can beat.


That's like complaining that T13 is too hard and you wish they never release another end-game pve content beyond HM level of difficulty.

At least with crafting, you can throw money at it and eventually come out on top.

[Ronivan]

But that's the whole point behind manual II tokens..
It's to provide a challenge that not everybody can beat.


That's like complaining that T13 is too hard and you wish they never release another end-game pve content beyond HM level of difficulty.

At least with crafting, you can throw money at it and eventually come out on top.

There is a significant difference beetwin Turns and Craftings, its some small factor called "Lucky". I particulary don't see luck as a factor of difficult, specialy when its not even luck, its RNG based (which by the way, has a Loop to failure). Turns needs you get an strategic party, thats all you need to success (not talking about loot, thats also luck). Luck is not a form of difficult, its a form to make you lose with something that you don't have control. Don't mind crafting any hell out of anything, probably in the next patch I will complain like hell and still do the things anyway....

Edit: Sorry if I seemed like that I don't like the game contents. I love this game. Also my posts where a little off the topic. I saw only a small change, at least now you can do something with the normal quality stuff, but the Reclaim is more recommended in any skill fail situations, although I can say Reclaim fails lot more with this recipes than any other, don't want do know why.

[MN_14]

Reclaim also is a failed more often with 801 Difficulty itens than any before, 3 to 5 times it failed for me, costing a small foturne with FD-III. I hope the next books are not this horrible, because I will suffer this horrible experience again.

I'm not sure whether you were particularly unlucky, but for my 8 master books, I found that on average, I got 2 NQ tokens along with the 3 required HQ tokens (got 0 NQs a few times and 4 NQs was my worst) and lost 0-2 fc3s to reclaim failure. Losing a couple of fc3s would probably be considered normal.

One thing to consider is that the more you use reclaim, the more fc3s you'll possibly lose. If you're consistently losing lots of fc3s each time, there probably is an issue with the method you're using.

[GenJoe]

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Hey, I've failed 2 out of 3 artisan off hand reclaims (12 sealants!)
So I know a thing or two about RNG having it out for you, but Manual II tokens aren't really that bad.. especially when you consider doing all 8 of them, RNG more or less disappears because of the sheer number of crafts you're doing.

I think what crafters can do to counter balance RNG is to just craft a LOT.
Massive numbers will eventually even out any bumpy spikes RNG will cause on your crafting journey as a whole.

[Ronivan]

I got all my books, but it was, like I've said, horrible. The last book was the Armorer, I lost a total of 28 FD-III to reclaim alone, and as far I can remember it was 5 of them straight away. The others were like 3 to 5 tryes. I can centanly say it was not natural, because I did a lot of *** Jewels of GSM and I reclaim did not fail me once. Also Piece by Piece with 90% of sucess failed very often, hundreds of times doing the recipes (my rotation uses pbp without sh2). Man its 10% chance of failing! I could not place a materia in a slot with 11% after 30 tryes! I like this game, but I hate it RNG, I have almost sure it loops to failure, by my own experience. My rotation gives me 86% of HQ if it worked as planned (I don't want to remeber how many times I got NQ out of 86% of HQ, it make me want to cry).
What I wanted to say with my post was that I don't like luck based work, its a nightmare when the RNG of the game is looping to failure.

Edit: Please note that even after all that bad luck I did not quit playing as crafter, I moved on and I will do the same to everything horrible SE throw over me. I just want to have the same luck as you guys have.

[GenJoe]

I commend your perseverance to stick it through but to me, it sounds like you're using a rotation that has a very high failure rate.. I don't know why you have to reclaim so often. In my case, bad luck would get me to complete the synthesis and fail you on the baiting part and leaving me with a bunch of nq's.

Did you use Rumination Reclaim? I've never used Rumination because of not having enough cross class slots, maybe you're missing an essential skill, manual II token was the one thing where I wished I had more cross class slots to use.. It does require everything you've got.

I think I've lost 14 FC3s on my WVR because of bad luck, but that's in the form of nq brocades, not lost from reclaim. Also, it was an isolated incident, not across the board for all my manual IIs.

[Ronivan]

My stats as a GSM for sample was Craftsmanship: 494 (504 with f.company buff) and control: 331 (341 with f.company buff). The link follows my rotation:

http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbf2w

I just need one ToT before the second CZ, all ToT besides that add more chance for me to use an extra buff at the end (like Innovation). The problems I have described above, don't need to remeber it again.

Edit: note that I have already made all books, so if you note something very monstrous wrong on my rotation please don't say it because I would have a seizure.

[MN_14]

I have one question about the crafting simulator. What does the 6% under total quality success mean?

I hope that isn't the probability that you'll actually achieve 76%.