What would you have done? (2.55 story related, SPOILER WARNING)

[Riepah]

To all those who say we had no weapons with us when we met the Sultana --- what would be the point of disarming us when going to see the Sultana - right before she would enter a feasting hall full of completely armed people? If everyone in that hall had their weapons removed as well, okay, but they didn't. So clearly there is no "No weapons near the Sultana" rule at all.

[FallenArisen0990]

To be fair guys, I would think Teledji would had us disarmed after being arrested. Keep in mind that not once did our character display their weapons. That's why I would have had Raubahn toss me a sword to escape. Since we can never technically disarm our weapons, it was made invisible for the whole Cut Scene.

You guys do realize killing people means us being a traitor to not only Ul'dah but to possibly the other nations as well. It's easy to draw first blood but it takes a bigger man to set aside personal feelings and think about the future of not only yourself, but for others around you.

[Naria]

While I understand SE's reason for making our characters passive little puppets, ultimately I think that the problem was that the story was written in such a way calls such massive attention to the fact that our character is a passive puppet, when any person with the capability they are touted to have would have at least attempted to do something at some point in the scenario. Yuyuhase even calls them a one women/man army and then betrays them anyway because any army is only as good as its commander and it is clear without anyone actually telling them what to do Warrior of Light is incapable of action. Yes, I know, one of the themes for the MSQ is that their enemies keep claiming WoL is being used as a pawn, but there is a difference between being a pawn and being catatonic. The WoL isn't even capable of trying to help their friends and allies unless they are told to?

What Nari would have done (wall of text):

Told the other Scions and Alph they had a traitor problem before the banquet and that everyone should stick together. Alphinaud would have been prevented from going off on his own. Nari casts leeches on the Sultana. (I get while this wasn't there because its job specific, but it is a pet peeve of mine when characters are dying in front of me and my healer PC doesn't even attempt to do anything. More of a problem with rpgs, though).

When that failed and Teledji attempted to arrest Nari, she would have made a break for it and linkpearl'd the other scions to warn them. I refuse to believe the WoL can't even make an opening to run from a handful of Brass Blades weapon or no weapon. Also corrupt government official is corrupt. Teledji was being so melodramatic and had such perfect timing he was obviously in on it and he wouldn’t be accusing the Scions unless thought he could get away with it. You don’t survive the Syndicate in Ul’dah by being completely stupid. Nari would think at this point there is little to gain by cooperating and plenty to lose by doing so (like her life). She has no way of knowing about the farce planned for the banquet, but has reasons to believe the other Scions were in danger.

The other Scions manage to meet up. Thancred suggests the tunnels to everyone via Linkpearl. Nari shakes her head in frustration and doubles back while avoiding the Blades and Sultansworn (where were the Sultansworn during all this? Did I miss some explanation for why they didn’t even seem to be in the city?)

The Scions, however, are ambushed trying to leave and only Y’shtola, Thancred and Alphinaud meet up with Nari in the Sultana’s chambers. Alph flees into the tunnel informing Nari that the Blades/Braves/Sworn are chasing them. Nari follows immediately. Thancred shuts the door behind them without warning and Y’shtola blows the Sultana’s chambers to keep the guards from following.

Nari and Alphanud escape though the tunnels, meet up with the merchant who mentions Alph/one of the other scions linkpearl’d the Waking Sands when or before everything started to go wrong and told Alisaie. Cid conveniently happeneds to be in the area with an airship and they all flee to Coerthas, because despite constantly beating Nari to destinations, Alph is too anima poor to teleport.

Now Nari and Scions are actually in a worse situation then they are currently in-game. They don’t know how the conspiracy played out. They don’t know about Teledji’s “I’m the villain” speech or anything about Raubhan. They don’t have Pippin as an ally. They don’t know what the other GC leaders were told or witnessed or what they believe. They ran making themselves look guilty, fought a bunch of guards and Y’shtola blew up the scene of the crime and part of the seat of government.

Haurchefant, however, is still awesome and informs Nari and Alph that Aymeric was called away before things went nuts. Ishgard has a history of insolation, unfriendliness and of not really caring about anything else so long as you are a good dragonslayer, which Nari recently proved she is. They also have a good dragonslayer shortage, so taking refuge in Ishgard looks like a good way to regroup.

As someone suggested earlier (elsewhere?), Yugiri teaches Nari special ninja glamours that can change her features but not enough to disguise her race (which is why Yugiri did not use it) and drops a few lore teasers about the Au Ra. Nari now has a way to run around outside of Coerthas and learn from the npcs that fame is fickle and while a few people still believe in the Scion's innocence, the crowd loves a scandal. She learns rumors that GC leaders are occupied with trying to quietly get rid of the subversive and subverted foreign military they let into their territory, instead of the Braves vanishing from the other city-states without a trace. The Monetarist leaders have announced they aren’t making any public appearances, because they are afraid of another Scion assassination attempt, and that the Sultana is in hiding for the same reason.

She also has room for “character development”. Nari tried and then she failed, instead of failing by proxy, or not trying.

I, as the player, am not stuck in Coerthas for three months with nothing to do but lose at Triple Triad to Tataru, or wondering why if the WoL is still Eorzea’s darling she needs asylum in Ishgard or why Nari doesn’t get jumped whenever she walks into Ul’dah and why the Braves/Blades now all seem to be on her side, or too scared to arrest her alone and incapable of calling for back up while she is bargain hunting at the markets.

This isn’t a perfect scenario (I would have rather they were not rehashing storylines they have already done, but with added drama) but if it had played out something like this I might have actually cared about all of the dramatic scenes instead of yelling at the screen that I couldn’t believe how pointless my character was.

[Fyce]

To all those who say we had no weapons with us when we met the Sultana --- what would be the point of disarming us when going to see the Sultana - right before she would enter a feasting hall full of completely armed people? If everyone in that hall had their weapons removed as well, okay, but they didn't. So clearly there is no "No weapons near the Sultana" rule at all.

Did you see your weapon on your back during all these cutscenes? Me neither.

There are specific cutscenes where our character is weaponless, and they do make sense. Saying that, for the 2.55 event, "We totally did have our weapon! They're just not displayed for some magical reasons..." is stupid.

[Aeyis]

A bigger man would have realised that the people of Ul'dah would of rejoiced being free of the rule of the monetarists. And that this would be a time to act, not cower behind ''diplomacy''


And a bigger man did act.

[Sapphic]

One question I havn't seen raised. Was Momodi in on it too? With telling us to keep a hold of the poison.

Also in regards to fighting, we were facing 2 combined armies, which may consist of thousands of troops. We would have fallen eventually through pure numbers. Not to mention, as it has been strongly hinted at before, that if we had stood and fought against the Moneterists, would the Ascians have made an appearance also to prevent us from disabling their plans?

I agree with the story that falling back for now was the wisest course of action.

[Remus]

I don't like how people are throwing around the "You were weaponless" sentence. This scene didn't make sense, We assume our weapon was taken away most likely by the lady in waiting because she was the only one who knew about the private meeting. Now tell me how did we get our weapons back after the carriage scene? No one mentioned they got it, no mentioned they found it, no mention of you picking it up "nothing". They didn't even try to explain why we didn't have our weapon. All that time we did have our weapon SE just made it invisible, lets be honest if they can't even put one sentence stating what happen to our weapon it just proves that fact.

[ValyrianBlood]

It could just be me, but I felt it was odd, having the cutscene of Nanamo praying and saying that she doesn't know what else to do. Then asking for a private audience with you. Why have you up in private to tell you the same thing she's going to repeat, in 5 minutes, to everyone else.

Hoenstly my first thought seeing the praying scene was 'wtf she wants to commit suicide' o_o
I obv knew SE wouldn't let Nanamo do this but the whole private audience thing fueld this idea further...am I the only one who thought this?

BTT since my character is a highlander and in my head from ala mhigo I would have gotten so furious about Ilbred's betrayal on Raubahn and every word he threw on him I would have killed him personally (HOW ABOUT SOME FAERIE DUST IN THE EYES, MOTHERFUCKER)...though i must admit i got a bit scared seeing raubahn going all berserk - i would have joined withhin a safe distance...

[Fyce]

Now tell me how did we get our weapons back after the carriage scene?

The same way Derplander got his Bravura back after Louisoix saved him from Bahamut blast.

It makes more sense for us not to have our weapon during the meeting with the Sultana. It's not magically hidden.

Anyway, if you keep thinking that we totally had our weapons (even if that's not true), at least just understand how stupid it would have been to attack one of the Monetarists leaders after being accused of murder.

[Remus]

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Oh no weapons allowed huh? Then please tell me this.



See BS. SE failed and they know it. I just showed you evidence.