Petition: Bring back mob AI!

[Fensfield]

As they say, don't shoot the messenger -- Blame those who continually complain about everything for absolutely no reason. "Oh noes my AoE will hit a goat! Remove their curious nature SE!" Fixes come when they come, you can't plan it, because then if a delay happens, you have disgruntled people, hence why more and more companies (even outside of gaming) are now on a "when it's finished" mantra.

I know, I know.. thus the lack of attack or so. I really was just making inquiries. I don't really expect a proper reply, it's a bit beyond a community rep's remit I fear - but it can't help asking, right? Besides, it'd be nice to see specific address for our other concerns, too; like the other remove behavior traits, for instance.

[Arcell]

Discussed this with monster wrangler Matsui. Firstly, as I'm sure you're all aware, the reason that aldgoats and other monsters stopped coming closer was due to the fact that they would be tagged by player AoEs (and all the frustration that brought with it); we don't have plans to bring that aspect back. However, we would like to add more liveliness to monsters as you have been suggesting.

Fantastic. People will complain about what has been removed already but the dev team should focus on simply making the system good, whether that means bringing back some old behavior (like eft sound aggro) or adding new ones in.

Personally I'm glad to see the super curious behavior gone, sure you could manage it but you shouldn't have to. There are some AoE heavy classes like Marauder who start tossing out AoEs like crazy when in Steadfast. That quickly becomes very annoying for anyone trying to use their AoE moves on groups of monsters. It wasn't really adding anything constructive to the gameplay.

However making monsters more lively by adding in different types of aggro, noticeable behavior patterns in battles with ways to exploit them and other general quirks I feel that would definitely help things.

[Preypacer]

Discussed this with monster wrangler Matsui. Firstly, as I'm sure you're all aware, the reason that aldgoats and other monsters stopped coming closer was due to the fact that they would be tagged by player AoEs (and all the frustration that brought with it); we don't have plans to bring that aspect back. However, we would like to add more liveliness to monsters as you have been suggesting.

That's perfectly reasonable. Aldgoats can perhaps follow you around, but the moment you display any sign of aggression (draw weapon, etc), it runs off.

Anyway... glad to see some Dev attention on this!

[Alhanelem]

the vast majority dont want curious monsters back. the vast majority want all of the other AI back, there is a difference.

What other AI was there?

I wouldn't mind the monsters that follow you around if they stood far enough back that they wouldnt get hit by AoE.

Aggro is in every game, and it's still in this one, so I'm not sure what people are talking about there.

[Roaran]

I'd like to see some predatorial behavior from some monsters. More than just the I SEE YOU I KILL. Something along the lines of tracking scents or ambushing only characters that are alone. I always liked how Antlions would attack out of nowhere in ffxi- maybe something when a player is farther than 100 yalms from another PC, it lunges out of the ground or w/e and attacks.

Also, rather than just getting rid of curious behavior why not just make it so whenever an aldgoat for example is hit by a single non-direct attack it runs away. But a second attack or any attack that is directed at the monster itself would make it return to aggressive behavior.

[Ancinda]

I'd like to see some predatorial behavior from some monsters. More than just the I SEE YOU I KILL. Something along the lines of tracking scents or ambushing only characters that are alone. I always liked how Antlions would attack out of nowhere in ffxi- maybe something when a player is farther than 100 yalms from another PC, it lunges out of the ground or w/e and attacks.

Also, rather than just getting rid of curious behavior why not just make it so whenever an aldgoat for example is hit by a single non-direct attack it runs away. But a second attack or any attack that is directed at the monster itself would make it return to aggressive behavior.

those are some good ideas

[Petori]

If there would be 1 or 2 curious type following but not for long time then I would like it. But not 5+ goats or dodos gazing into my soul no matter what I do ><.

[Jynx]

What other AI was there?

I wouldn't mind the monsters that follow you around if they stood far enough back that they wouldnt get hit by AoE.

Aggro is in every game, and it's still in this one, so I'm not sure what people are talking about there.

Feel free to read the OP to see what kinds of AI quirks many mobs have and what few were removed for no real reason. We still have no idea why efts instantly agro to sound no instead of searching for you, or why some monsters such as red crabs no longer try to warn you away before attacking.

[Esk]

Discussed this with monster wrangler Matsui. Firstly, as I'm sure you're all aware, the reason that aldgoats and other monsters stopped coming closer was due to the fact that they would be tagged by player AoEs (and all the frustration that brought with it); we don't have plans to bring that aspect back. However, we would like to add more liveliness to monsters as you have been suggesting.

So basically dumb people who couldn't play without just spamming attacks without looking at the situation removed something that was a good feature.. lovely

It would be good if you could have them follow but keep a distance?
It was a great feature that I'd love to see back in some form, even if it has to be worked on for those less well.. yeah...

[Estellios]

So basically dumb people who couldn't play without just spamming attacks without looking at the situation removed something that was a good feature.. lovely

It would be good if you could have them follow but keep a distance?
It was a great feature that I'd love to see back in some form, even if it has to be worked on for those less well.. yeah...

This is a very poor idea that was thrown around way too often before the curious enemies were taken out. AOE abilities are a large part of a lot of classes and it was idiotic to have 7 enemies right up your butt preventing you from playing efficiently and sometimes outright causing you to die during leves. It was especially bad for MRD because Steadfast affecting a lot of their moves changing their AOE. It was a gigantic pain in the ass no matter if you were a good or poor player.