This is often how I see new players treated in FFXIV:

[lackofwords]

Maybe I need to find a better FC because I see this excuse reason for others to be just generally rude to new players quite a bit, but I never really do much group content with my FC. Usually just use FC as a chat-bar to be honest...

I'll just mention this, even with your cynical retort to the suggestion, FC is group of people moderated. You're less likely to find jerks in an FC since they would be kicked out. Find one that fits you, and you'll less likely run into people who don't fit your play style.

I had a same experience as a WHM for this battle.
Also being new to the Trial and jumping onto a DF of Battle at Big Keep.

• DF starts and the Full Party logo flashes across the screen and I announce my greetings.
• I see some chat greetings replies, and immediately announce I'm new to the fight, and ask for any particular mechanics.
• A player explains at the last stage that a healer is going to be picked at random, and that the plan is to sacrifice the healer to focus on a full DPS burn.
• I was randomly picked by the Boss RNG to be the sacrifice, I died.
• I was raised, and RNG picked me again, and died again. This time boss dies.

Entire fight ended without anyone needing to waste efforts in breaking me out of the chain jail. Was it rather a boring fight to heal? Yeah, I did was play the sacrifice role, but I did my job and bought time for the DPS to do theirs.

I don't see anything in this instance that Elmeron should have taken personally here. Players were just going through the motions of completing the fight, Battle at Big Keep, and Elmeron happened to become the healer sacrifice here.
No players were actively persecuting him, from the account of Gurpsmeister.

The group's battle strategy might not have been explained, which Elmeron had insecurity from the possible chat silence took it personally;

(the person had full health before boss made him unmovable and there was no predicting whether he/she would be the next target or not so essentially what people tell are telling him/her to do after the fact is to spam a heal on him/herself, and the other healer just let him/her (sorry, I really couldn't tell the gender...) die to "teach him a lesson" I'm guessing. *Eyeroll*)

The only thing that might be questionable is whoever decided to start the fight while people were still not inside the battle field, especially if it can't be won without main healers.
This is bound to happen occasionally with any public DF groups.
E.G. People locking out entire parties at the Atomos fight of Crystal Tower.

SE can fix this by adding a lock to any mid-boss fights preventing players to start the battle until everyone is inside.
But imagine one AFK player in CT locking out everyone from progression because he isn't ready to play, and then everyone has to either wait, or vote kick the AFK, or even worst wait for the vote kick timer.

[QiLymePye]

I think the problem could be solved if SE just made it so that whenever the "New Player" bonus comes up, you can't move forward until new player finishes cutscene, whether they watch it or skip it. If they player is new, they should "always" have the right of way for watching cutscenes. If you want the bonus, you hang around and wait for it. If you don't, then leave and take penalty. Or better yet. Have a duty finder that you can adjust if you want new players in queue with you or not. If you decide to not have new players in roulette with you, then you get no bonuses, no adventurer in need. And if you want that bonus, you queue with newbies.

Its ridiculous that we want new players to play like they are not new when all of us were new at one point. Veterans are not just called veterans because they have more time invested, they are also supposed to be veterans because they pave the way and teach. what are you teaching the newbies now? Its ok to be an ass? I don't want the "Call of Duty" atmosphere in this game.

[lackofwords]

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Like I mentioned above, it's too prone to other issues when you're locking people out mid-duty even though it would solve the issue at hand.
I recall multiple times loading into CT/ST/WoD and waiting on one person that is clearly AFK during the cutscene. Everyone is now locked out indefinitely. Multiply that for every single cutscene mid-duty.

[Faelandaea]

People keep saying stuff like "address the problem", when there is no problem to address.

If you don;t want to watch cut-scenes, then go into the bloody run with your FC farming group. If you have access to one - use it (ALMOST every FC has farming groups, however some smaller ones don't. If not, then read on for even more options).

If you are a new player and not yet in an FC or don't mind cut-scenes and just want to chill, use the DF.

If neither of the above options are available or appealing to you, then you have a THIRD option . . . the PF.

So . . . FC, DF, PF . . . and you people want us to believe that there is some problem SE needs to address? It seems to me that with all these options available, SE has addressed this "problem" pretty well, and with a lot of thought as well. Three great avenues . . . all appealing depending on my mood.

EDIT: OH! I forgot a 4th . . . friends. You don't need an FC to pull some friends together and make the runs you need.

[lackofwords]

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The root issue don't just pertain to cutscenes, it is starting the fight when people aren't inside the battlefield.
Which is why I gave the example of people starting Atomos fights before any of the other CT parties can even get inside.

But yes I agree, there really isn't a need to carebear this. I only mentioned it since it is the only gameplay aspect worth pointing out of this entire thread.

[Mageri]

Okay, well here's another suggestion: Make viewing cutscenes like the Primals. This way, people won't start bosses early, but they can still kill mobs if they want to... Hell, I'd be happy with a cute mini-game while someone's watching a long cutscene... :P

[HulveinBlitz]

I think no matter what way you swing it, SE thought about all the consequences that would arise from a system like this.

That's what I think. I mean, really.. again here I go.

You have people who think I want to watch this cutscene, I'm new, and I'm here. I gotta see it now. - Fair enough
You have people who think I'm here to farm this crap, get my light/card chance w/e, no time to wait need more run.- Fair enough

Both individuals can use the PF for these exact things. So that argument needs to stop here. Locking people up whilst the guy enjoys his sweet 5min cutscene works in a primal, because of the nature of the fight. Dungeons don't operate the same way. They've given both sides tools to do what they need to do.

But remember, DF will always put you with people who you won't always agree with. There is no fix to this, from SE part. The only fix is use the tools you're given as players to accomplish your goals. I mean maybe, they can try to increase the chances of DF pitting first timers with each other. Other than that, its all down to the players.

[ThanMazus]

I wonder if this thread is related to this other thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-Healers-More

[Gillionaire]

I wonder if this thread is related to this other thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-Healers-More

At the very least it should give you an insight to the kind of character he/she is... Go to page 3 or 4.. Even flat out LYING about the experience as if he were just an innocent bystander.. tsk tsk.

Elmeron's argument MIGHT have a little more credibility if it wasn't fabricated from the get go.. But it's very entertaining nonetheless

[nuyu11]

After I read all the 13 pages, all I can describe is this game will getting nowhere after Heavensward if issue like this still exist.
I think many new comer will leave this game after few month of playing if they have worst experience like this, and this is sad.
God bless us all, if you believe in him.