This is often how I see new players treated in FFXIV:

[dekal]

I agree with the last statement. Why risk having to heal the party with the bad mp regen as a whm. I have play whm and it suck . I will just rez the other healer when I see a decent a mount of mp. God I hate the whm mp regen. As a pure healer that class should have better mp pool.

[Mistoltin]

Any time the cs issue comes up, I think at the good times on GW when you cannot skip a cs until everyone chosen to skip it.

man/lady, blame google.
(Though, now I'm remembering SWTOR where you'd be berated to skip all the text. Weird, because in that game you couldn't watch the cutscenes later at your own discretion, and all the cutscenes were voiced so there wasn't any part that was excessively tedious due to text being too over-bearing, which is something I see commonly in FFXIV where there's paragraph after paragraph of text which isn't a natural conversation in the slightest. But then again there were also story mode and hard modes, so there's this an' that, still, not a bad idea.)

[Warlyx]

I agree with the last statement. Why risk having to heal the party with the bad mp regen as a whm. I have play whm and it suck . I will just rez the other healer when I see a decent a mount of mp. God I hate the whm mp regen. As a pure healer that class should have better mp pool.

yeah i agree , why shroud isnt % based is beyond me....

OT: im sure SE learned the leasson for 3.0 , some CS for MSQ is ok if its BEFORE entering or AFTER a battle on DF....

look at Ifrit vs shiva , ifrit is a huge cs when entereing, for shiva u watch every CS before even entering , that a step in the right direcction.

[Mholito]

OT: im sure SE learned the leasson for 3.0 , some CS for MSQ is ok if its BEFORE entering or AFTER a battle on DF....

look at Ifrit vs shiva , ifrit is a huge cs when entereing, for shiva u watch every CS before even entering , that a step in the right direcction.

Another thing worth noting, is that they have stopped having dialogue-boxes in cutscenes in favor of automatically advancing text. This means that the cutscenes will be of equal length for everyone.

[Ashkendor]

The icing on the cake is that the other healer just let that person stay dead, even when the boss fight was over.

There's no reason to raise you after the trial is over. Return to the entry point to avoid the Weakness debuff.

I main a healer and I never do that. First rule of healing: raise other healer first, period. It is way riskier to potentially die yourself and have 0 heals for the party.

That all depends, honestly. I've gone through 8 man content on my scholar where the other healer dies repeatedly due to not dodging the mechanics, whether it be lag or unfamiliarity or being too busy chatting. After a couple of tries, I just end up leaving them dead and try to solo heal. Either I run out of mana and everyone dies or I take a gamble on my skill to both dodge mechanics and keep everyone alive. If OP really did just stand there ranting and raving while standing in perfectly avoidable AoE attacks and not healing himself, I probably would have left him dead too. What's the point in raising someone that's just going to stand there throwing a fit whether they're alive or dead? It's a waste of mana. Even a Scholar has a finite amount of mana to work with, and wasting nearly 800 of it to raise someone that has already demonstrated that they're a liability is detrimental.

[Gyson]

I can't say for sure but MAYBE if you'd have said, "Brand new, is it okay if I watch the CS?" You'd have gotten different results.

It's why again, I'll simply state, at the start of the run, if you are new, ask if they can do whatever it is they want you to do, if they say no, then deal with it.

I'm of the opinion that new players shouldn't have to ask permission to watch cutscenes, nor should they have to ask for their team to wait until they're finished watching those cutscenes before proceeding with the rest of the encounter.

These encounters are designed with those cutscenes in place - anyone watching them is simply playing the encounter as it was designed and intended by the developers. If you want to skip it and regain control of your character, that's up to you, the option is there - but at no point should you be assuming it's acceptable to screw over those other players (who are watching the cutscenes the developers intentionally included in these encounters) by running off and continuing through the dungeon without them. That's just rude.

You're supposed to be a party of adventurers - a team. Why not act like one? Not that courtesy should need a reward in the first place, but the developers provide one just in case people can't figure out a reason to be nice without an incentive.

I'm embarrassed to admit how many times I've "grinded" certain dungeons. It's a wonder the primals aren't like "WTF? Again?" every time they see me show up. At no point do I ever stop saying "hello" or "goodbye" and thanking everyone for their effort. And if a new person needs instructions I try to provide them. That doesn't all go out the window because I'm on Titan run #458. Don't fall back on the grind or repetitiveness as an excuse for poor behavior.

[JayCommon]

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I'm of the opinion that veteran players shouldn't have to ask permission to run ahead and rush completion of something they have done dozens of times, nor should they have to ask if their team needs their hand held before proceeding with the rest of the encounter.

These encounters are designed with the ability to skip watching the cutscenes - anyone skipping them are simply using the tools provided to us by the developers because they acknowledge we don't need to see them dozens of times. If you want to watch it and risk being left behind, that's up to you, the option is there - but at no point should you be assuming its acceptable to hold back 3-7 other players (who are skipping the cutscenes the developers intentionally gave as a tool to use in these encounters) by expecting them to stand there idle, just for you. That's just rude.

You're supposed to be a party of adventurers - a team, and yet one person not being there does not cause a wipe (unless it's a healer). Why not develop content that forces us to act like one? Not that incentive should added in the first place, but the developers continuously put out content that can be cheesed by veterans if they so choose to.

I'm also embarrased to admit how many times I've "grinded" certain dungeons. It's a wonder that Titan doesn't just jump off his own cliff when he sees me show up At no point do I ever stop saying "hello" or "goodbye" and saying "ty for the group" after a completion. If a new person needs instructions I will also try to provide them. That doesn't go out the window for me either, ever. Don't fall back on being entitled as an excuse for holding others back.



- This post is not meant to condescend you, regardless if the intent is largely lost in the text. It's only there to show you that the exact opposite applies as well. You are not special because it's your first run. Also, the OP never asked for help. Why is this continuously being skipped over by the "help noob" proponents of this thread. I have absolutely no problem explaining things to people for their first time, and for the record I will wait for people to watch CS if they ask. I do not own a crystal ball, neither to my fellow adventurers. Speak up if you're new, don't act as if you are owed anything because more often than not that attitude will be met with hostility.

Just because I see the new adventurer bonus does not mean:

A) The person may be on an alt and have complete knowledge of the fight (have been told to STFU when just assuming a player was new and tried explaining bosses.)
B) I have no way of knowing which person is the new player, if you don't speak up I am not going to assume you don't know how to do the fight. Assumptions never work out well, see example A.
C) The person may know the whole fight, had bad luck with groups and just never got the clear him/herself.

In my experience with the year and a half I have played this game, the hostility has 90% of the time been initiated and maintained by the "noob". I have literally been told to "go f*** myself" for asking a noob a simple question: Why are you so adamant against watching a video if you are going to ask us detailed rundown of each mechanic?

I feel like that's a legit question, because your experience is being ruined either way. Why do people feel like it is completely OK to waste the time of 3-7-23 other people "becuz their immersionz" and then continue to berate people for not wanting to type out Titan's final rotation, or spamming heals on the people carrying the chains in the Cerberus fight. At that point in time, you are one person in a group of others that can completely be the sole purpose of a wipe, and then want to complain that other people didn't tell you exactly what to do.

I'm much more comfortable with this scenario, and I have seen it happen:

"Hi, I'm new to this <insert dungeon here>, but I don't like having my experience ruined by prior knowledge of the fight. I won't watch a video, but I won't ask for help either. I want to learn and experience this for my first time like I'm going in blind."

That person gained my respect, because you can't expect people to just inherently be nice when you open your conversation with expectations and hostility.

[TruebladeNuke]

No, there's no problem. People in general tries to find a way to make a problem because they are bored. If you look at the forums long enough you'll see everyone arguing over something general. From cash shops to same sex marriage in game to second coil nerfs to ninja nerfs to whatever. You wanna know why? People can never be happy. A person will never be happy unless he has something and no one else have it. A person is never happy unless that person is special and everyone acknowledges it. This is not an SE problem. This is our problem. When are we gonna mutually respect each other?

Took the words right out of my mouth and plastered them onto a forum post before I could. Indeed. People simply argue in general over everything. There is no middle ground from what I've seen in MMO's and forums. There's always an argument about something.

Any time the cs issue comes up, I think at the good times on GW when you cannot skip a cs until everyone chosen to skip it.

I remember those days from Guild Wars myself. Was sometimes funny when a cutscene came up, 7 out of 8 people would typically opt to skip a cutscene right away (and complain right away when that last person doesn't skip) and that one person who's new gets to see the cutscene anyway without anyone else running on ahead because they can't until everyone votes to skip the cutscene. Made more hilarious if said party members were the people who never bother to watch cutscenes anyway and only care about flashing their E-peens.

Aside from those like... 2 to 3 runs I did with random party members, I never really had this issue because I pretty much ran through the whole game with nothing but AI partners. And I completed the game just fine anyway.

[Aivi_lo]

Maybe I need to find a better FC because I see this excuse reason for others to be just generally rude to new players quite a bit, but I never really do much group content with my FC. Usually just use FC as a chat-bar to be honest...

Same, I never seem to do anything with my fc, they are all really lovely though.

[Elim]

100% agree that new players shouldn't be treated rudely. As in, they shouldn't be made fun of or mocked because they're new. However I don't agree that everyone should cater to a new persons wants. Majority rules in a group. One person's wants is not greater than the rest. If, by chance, the group wants to cater to a newbie then all the power to them.

But I often have a hard time feeling bad for newbies, because a LOT, and I mean a LOT of newbies are aggressive, rude and scary. You never know when they're going to snap at you... If you try to be helpful, and they misinterpret your words, watch out. That's why I never go out of my way to help a newbie unless I'm directly asked for help. Even then I'm afraid.