White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

[Everdark]

But yet there is truth to what I say. You misconstrue bashing with wanting to see them buffed. If anything I am bashing scholars for being too powerful. There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

This flatly isn't true. I main whm, and personally hate playing sch so I don't. Ever.

and I know my friends that main whm feel the same.

[FoxyAreku]

Complaining about white mage right now is pointless because a full party usually requires 2 healers and no one is going to bring 2 scholars because it's plain bad.

Now if Astrologian turns out to be amazing and Astro/Sch is the god comp THEN I can get behind your complaints. But right now white mages are mandatory for serious content so I really don't see a reason to argue about this.

[Staris]

I have played both in progression raiding, and everything else in the game since the release of 2.0

They are incredibly well balanced.
If you can't see how balanced they are you are bad, you have never played both for a significant amount of time, or you don't understand how the entire group functions as a whole (refer to bad).

Healing a raid is far easier with one of each than two of either (for 90% of coil).

They do almost identically single target dps, although the alphas are different. (For solo play).

WHM wins on on aoe DPS by a bit, but SCH wins on hybrid single target DPS while healing a moderate amount by a bit. (Small Group Play)



The only reason I can truly say someone would insist SCH over WHM is so you can put someone on follow and afk while they do stuff.

[seekified]

Yeah, I don't understand all the complaints about WHMs either because you will need/want one for all serious content. Yes, all left side gear should be job-specific, but we're not there quite yet. Personally, I prefer SCH because I find it to be a more mechanically interesting job - lots more stuff to keep track of and manage to play the job properly, and I always find stuff like that fun. It's why I play DRG instead of MNK, for instance.

I'm also pretty sure ASTs are going to be leaning more towards the predictive/preventive play of Scholars, so WHMs should be pretty safe on that front.

[Lyzern]

White mages are weaker on everything when compared to scholars and the only real draw back is stacking issues from other scholars with shields

People really shouldn't talk about things they're clearly clueless about and post them on the forums so that some poor newbie stumbles across and thinks the game is imbalanced because some idiot thinks he's stumbled across a conspiracy theory and starts firing off crap.

Anyway, call me when SCHs get Regen, Proshell, 18% HP stoneskins, 800 potency heals with +40% healing, and... oh! Medica, Medica II and Cure III

Stop talking crap, thanks. For once I'd like to see some actual worthy threads in the Healer section...

There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage.

It's a troll guys, abort mission, ABORT MISSION!

[VoltaAsura]

Can we just close this thread? Obviously OP is a troll and/or has no leg to stand on with his statements because he has yet to actually play WHM himself.

WHM is fine.

[KarstenS]

Two people who I know who supposedly main white mages who have beaten all turns of Bahamut coils play scholars for 90% of the content that they farm now.

And the reason for that is: Most times you can nearly completely turn off your brain when doing so in casual content. The fairy do the most for you. As a whitemage you have to pay more attention as you have to do everything by hand, like gimping dds that don't dodge.

[seekified]

And the reason for that is: Most times you can nearly completely turn off your brain when doing so in casual content. The fairy do the most for you. As a whitemage you have to pay more attention as you have to do everything by hand, like gimping dds that don't dodge.

This. The amount of runs I've done with Eos doing my job for me is crazy.

[Its_Elodie]

Whm is fine. I main SCH, but play both. In 8 man they cover each other's weaknesses really well and there is great synergy between them.

[DarkmoonVael]

Alot of people are stating at how white mages are fine and bring the raw healing to the table in progression but is that really the issue? White mages are weaker on everything when compared to scholars and the only real draw back is stacking issues from other scholars with shields. I trully feel that the white mage needs a rework from its 1.0 days to make them relevant in 2.0 and beyond now.

Two people who I know who supposedly main white mages who have beaten all turns of Bahamut coils play scholars for 90% of the content that they farm now. The fact that scholar and white mages can can share almost all the healing gear in the game lets white mages get away from badly needing an overhaul because you can just go scholar to be a crutch.

SE had it right when they had bought gear on the left side for the high end currency being job specific.

Yawn.....its this time again i suppose.

WHM is very very powerful and very very good. People who complain about WHM tend to fall into one of 2 categories:

1) the arrogant egotistical scholar who thinks they are god

2) the useless WHM who believes the problem lies with their class, and not their inability to play said class.

So i raid as SCH (cleared t13 several times), and play WHM end game as well. What do i do for the most time in coils.....i DPS on SCH and heal the main tank, with some raid wide mitigation thrown in. What does my WHM parter do? He solo heals whilst i am DPSing and heals the entire raid group for all those mass aoe's in FcoB. What cant i do, i cant mass raid heal any where near as efficently or as fast as my WHM partner. What cant he do, he can mitigate raid wide damage. The two people you are talking about quite frankly sound like they can not use WHM at all.

As for the gear "issue" you bring up, it is based on a conclusion you have already reached of "SCH=god, WHM=lolWHM". I can switch from SCH to WHM when needed since they "share" gear (this in itself is just utterly wrong, end game in FcoB, the BiS for both rolls are completely different) just as quick as these WHM can switch to SCH.

Oh and WHM is certainly NOT weaker than SCH in terms of aoe healing. They also have the highest potency single target healing spell in the game....its called regen.

TL;DR learn to play both classes to their highest potential then come back here. Not much wrong with WHM apart from the person playing it.