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  1. #31
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    melflomil's Avatar
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    Hazel Mimelia
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 70
    I wont raid until Thursday because of Finals, plus we all are going on different classes :O but I'll pug it or somtihng. Anyway here a result of four three minutes of PhyKick and four Adlo's before I ran out of mana. I also took off one of Poe 130 Bracelets and my my Min Physick went from 1419 to 1372

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    Last edited by melflomil; 03-24-2015 at 09:08 AM.

  2. #32
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    Etheran Taru
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    Exodus
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    Conjurer Lv 66
    I would pick the item with the higher iLvl in all cases. It shouldn't even be a question for left side pieces, I mean, the extra vit is so important if you're doing progression raiding. Turn 13.. come on.
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  3. #33
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    Vena_Sera's Avatar
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    Vena Saur
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    The real stat to stack is accuracy.
    This guy gets it.
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  4. #34
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    Sylkis's Avatar
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    Sylkis Tea
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    Sophia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    The real stat to stack is accuracy.
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  5. #35
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    So, I've been skimming the DPS forums and there are several threads there that talk about using WoD/crafted pieces over dreadwyrm because you get 2.2* extra DPS due to better secondaries.

    Now, I am aware that DPS and healing are two very different kettles of fish when it comes to optimising gear, as DPS chain skills and so secondaries on lower ilvl gear can actually be more efficient and generate bigger numbers over the course of a fight.

    My general view on my SCH has always been to get as much crit as I can, but always prioritise iLvl cos MND is great, and the return from secondaries seems to drop off substantially as soon as you stop chain casting.
    I am not a theorycrafter, so I don't have numbers to back this up, but it is just my experience.

    *this is a random number I just made up for the purposes of this post.
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  6. #36
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkerOrange View Post
    So, I've been skimming the DPS forums and there are several threads there that talk about using WoD/crafted pieces over dreadwyrm because you get 2.2* extra DPS due to better secondaries.

    ..

    My general view on my SCH has always been to get as much crit as I can, but always prioritise iLvl cos MND is great, and the return from secondaries seems to drop off substantially as soon as you stop chain casting.
    I am not a theorycrafter, so I don't have numbers to back this up, but it is just my experience.

    *this is a random number I just made up for the purposes of this post.
    Yeah, BRDs do have an argument with their WoD and Dreadwyrm chest pieces, as SCH does with WoD hands over Augumented IW or DW. A substantial DET secondary stat can make-up the small MND shortfall though.
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  7. #37
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    I have the WoD hands atm, cos I haven't got around to getting the Aug IW gloves, and the Dreadwyrm gloves haven't dropped yet. I probably will be switching when I can though.
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  8. #38
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    It's probably not of much help to mention my anecdote but here goes. In 2.1/2.2 I mained healer with penta-melded Vanya + rose gold jewely. Gear was melded with IVs up and down. Even had IV Acc as fifth meld (After capping Det/SS/Crit) on all left side and bracelet. Right side was similar but with PIE as 4th stat. Was super amazing.. for about 6 weeks.. then the i90 crafted gear released and I felt cheated lol.

    Anyway my WHM since has collected a mix of SCoB and WoD gear at present, ilvl 114.

    My current Holy does about 300-400 damage less than what it had done with the Vanya (fighting the water elementals in Urth's, other than PvP it's all I really Healer as now).

    Seeing this makes me wonder how accurate stat weights are for healers with regard to healing vs DPS. Can we confidently say the MIND to DET ratio for healing potency is equal/same as MIND to DET ratio for DPS? I feel like DET must weight much higher since its really the only thing that can explain these numbers

    Cleric Stance: Swaps current INT and MND attribute ratings, while increasing potency of attack magic by 10%, and reducing potency of healing magic by 20%. Effect ends upon reuse
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    Last edited by Xenosan; 03-30-2015 at 02:31 PM.

  9. #39
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    Rin Shiraishi
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    Phoenix
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    -snip-
    I know you said 2.1/2.2 for the timeline of you maining a healer, but are you sure some of your memories are not from the 2.0 times when Holy was still 240 potency as opposed to 200 as it is now?

    With that out of the way, you'd have to have a serious amount of DET to offset that big of a MND increase from going up the ilvls. You were not even in the i90 range with all your crafted i70 before, yet your Holies do less dmg at i114? There's just an unbelievable amount of MND gained with that leap in gear that no matter the MND to DET conversion, it won't bridge it.
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  10. #40
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Ah, the reduction of Holy from 240 to 200 must be the explanation (I didn't realize it had at once been higher). I have my patches wrong.

    I looked up Labyrinth of the Ancients, it released in 2.1. I had this gear set before that content released. ( I know because I remember seeing the new gear and thinking 'meh' bc I was hoping it would be meldable)
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