Can we have slot machines in the golden saucer?

[Elusana_Celah]

Laws against gambling in a video game when real life money is not involved...

[OMEGA_HACK]

Laws against gambling in a video game when real life money is not involved...

Actually with the rating ARR has and it being an online game where you can potentially BUY Gil to use in game to GAMBLE, does make it a real life law issue, have you heard of online gambling? You Gamble online for coins(Gil) that you bought buy using your real money and then you can convert them, however you have to be of legal gambling age in order to do so and being underage can cause some grief between the website, you, and the law.

A good read if you are interested in learning:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardf...time-has-come/

Don't want to read, basically its illegally legally illegal. According to the Federal Government (US) Online Gambling is illegal, so to work around this the servers are located out of the US, however by transferring those winnings to the states you can also be pegged as a law-breaker. So where do FFXIV fit into this. The fact that we (players) are able (although not supposed to from the FFXIV ToS) to buy gil using actual dollars, in turn then being able to use said bought gil for gambling, it can be considered illegal. So again, its the MAIN reason why it took FFXI like 7 years after the launch before the Mog Lottery (and people wanted it long prior), but what took so long was because the area was a gray area in the law books. And if the Feds in the US see a company making lots of money and there is a gray area, why wouldn't they pursue that and try to get a cut of the cash? (This is the Feds we are talking about) So, please don't post your meme pictures before you read into what your commenting on, its gonna make you look sillier than the meme you posted.

[Catwho]

According to the Federal Government (US) Online Gambling is illegal, so to work around this the servers are located out of the US, however by transferring those winnings to the states you can also be pegged as a law-breaker. So where do FFXIV fit into this. The fact that we (players) are able (although not supposed to from the FFXIV ToS) to buy gil using actual dollars, in turn then being able to use said bought gil for gambling, it can be considered illegal.

This would hold more weight if SE allowed the purchase of gil directly, like some games do, and if there was an official (or officially tolerated) method of converting gil, or MGP even, back into dollars. There is neither. Any slot machines would give rewards in MGP, not gil, and there is no means of converting MGP directly into gil, even by purchasing prizes, since all MGP rewards are not sellable or tradeable.

[kyuven]

This would hold more weight if SE allowed the purchase of gil directly, like some games do, and if there was an official (or officially tolerated) method of converting gil, or MGP even, back into dollars. There is neither. Any slot machines would give rewards in MGP, not gil, and there is no means of converting MGP directly into gil, even by purchasing prizes, since all MGP rewards are not sellable or tradeable.

again, it's not a question of how the currency conversion works, it's a question of the letter of the law specifically spelling out what a slot machine is and outright outlawing that construct.
They're VERY specific explicitly because of the very things Japanese gambling environments actually do to skirt their own laws. The difference is the Japanese let the loopholes continue to exist, while other countries narrowed their definitions to fill the loopholes.
Hell, Greece once narrowed their definition so much they outlawed regular arcade machines. For a while, Pac-Man was considered as illegal as a slot machine.

[Catwho]

again, it's not a question of how the currency conversion works, it's a question of the letter of the law specifically spelling out what a slot machine is and outright outlawing that construct.
They're VERY specific explicitly because of the very things Japanese gambling environments actually do to skirt their own laws. The difference is the Japanese let the loopholes continue to exist, while other countries narrowed their definitions to fill the loopholes.
Hell, Greece once narrowed their definition so much they outlawed regular arcade machines. For a while, Pac-Man was considered as illegal as a slot machine.

Slot machines are illegal in my state, and yet Facebook's "Vegas Slots" game exists and apparently lets you earn points towards stays within the actual city of Las Vegas. Best friend's parent's keep spamming me with game invites....