Enkindle and Tri-Disaster: Useless as they come.

[Vallhallix]

It'd be quite a little OP. Just reduce Enkindles recast by a minute. Let it match BLMs convert cooldown, I dunno.

Not too OP even with Garuda's enkindle under rouse and spur it still doesn't do close to the same damage as a flare especially not under raging strikes.

[Dyvid]

Not too OP even with Garuda's enkindle under rouse and spur it still doesn't do close to the same damage as a flare especially not under raging strikes.

Actually I've got her to critical in the 2000's with Aerial Blast, so it's not equal to BLM Flare but it's very close. Only difference is I can only do it every 5 mins. And yes I had a equally geared BLM in the group so I had a good comparison with him, he was between 2300 and 2500 critical.

It'd be quite a little OP. Just reduce Enkindles recast by a minute. Let it match BLMs convert cooldown, I dunno.

I understand why it's 5mins, the devs wanted it to be the OMG move but yea, it's power just doesn't justify the timer. Without R+S it's laughable DPS output compared to other jobs. Also with todays speed runs gameplay it's timer needs to be lower to at least 3 mins so we have a little AoE burst damage on trash mobs.

[Sleigh]

Flare can do 4.5K or higher in the opener

[Shneibel]

Enkindle have to long CD for a skill deal 1k-2k dmg

[AscendantManes]

I understand why it's 5mins, the devs wanted it to be the OMG move but yea, it's power just doesn't justify the timer.

Meanwhile, Triple-Flares...

What makes me particularly depressed is that they won't listen to us simply because we're not in their home country. "What is this 'Warlock' you speak of? We don't play your funny-looking Warcrafts."

I'll keep pushing for this---I'll keep pushing for Enkindle and Tri-Disaster to be useful in PvE. I hope you guys can prove me wrong. I want to be proven wrong too!

[Shneibel]

What makes me particularly depressed is that they won't listen to us simply because we're not in their home country.

you better stop there, that mindset is wrong as in the past had been prove our opinion have it weight and they take it serious.

Enkindle and tri-disaster are not USELESS in pve. Enkindle have long CD does not make it useless. Tri-disaster is an aoe root, being a situation skill does not make it useless

[AscendantManes]

you better stop there, that mindset is wrong as in the past had been prove our opinion have it weight and they take it serious.

Enkindle and tri-disaster are not USELESS in pve. Enkindle have long CD does not make it useless. Tri-disaster is an aoe root, being a situation skill does not make it useless

Meanwhile, Triple-Flares.

And, having a skill that's only useful in... like, 2 dungeons does not make it an useful skill. It only means that if they remove it, it'll only affect those 2 places. Consider this: If you lost Enkindle, would it make a difference? Tri-Disaster? To me, losing either of these will not make much of an impact.

The solution is to have it meaningful in more situations.

[Shneibel]

Meanwhile, Triple-Flares.

And, having a skill that's only useful in... like, 2 dungeons does not make it an useful skill. It only means that if they remove it, it'll only affect those 2 places. Consider this: If you lost Enkindle, would it make a difference? Tri-Disaster? To me, losing either of these will not make much of an impact.

The solution is to have it meaningful in more situations.

I don't know how to reply to this anymore but /facedeck

[AscendantManes]

I don't know how to reply to this anymore but /facedeck

I meant to convey that while BLM gets one powerful AoE tool that can be used repeatedly, SMN's most powerful AoE tool is gained by level 30 arcanists, and has become increasingly obsolete as the number of enemies pulled increased from 4, to 8... Meanwhile, Bane only affects 4 others, soon reaching its limit on, say, Turn 4.

Enkindle would have been the perfect solution, but you will not get a chance to use it more than once in a single boss fight. Trash pulls... forget it.

Can you honestly name one instance in regular play when Tri-Disaster is useful? What about the new expert dungeons that put gates on the party? Can you find a use where Tri-Disaster is more useful than... oh, let's say, Blizzard II? Which, might I add, can be added to the SMN skillset.

The fact that a cross-class skill is more powerful, has the same utility and costs less than one of SMN's own skills is damning.

[Shneibel]

Can you honestly name one instance in regular play when Tri-Disaster is useful?

back in 2.0 in WP, I ll use tri-disaster on skip trash when there is no BLM. Now I use it in pvp, the same as BLM no longer need to use sleep in EX dungeon but they use sleep in pvp.

and you can not compare BLM flare with SMN because the 2 jobs are different, this comparison is wrong at the begin lets not talk about use Flare as exampler.

Tri-disaster is a situation skill just like BLM sleep skill. and Enkindle is useful for solo and I don't say no to the 1-2k dmg in raid content so I don't call them useless, but I do wish for the CD to be reduce to be able to use more.