New crafter looking for help/tips to be able to create HQ Silver Brocade

[Alx789]

382. You will be able to reach 362 only using food. This is not a very big problem - you will need to craft manually and hit once alc15 skill Tricks of the Trade at any good condition. If it happens under SH2, one of the Basic Touches will become unsafe - 70% of success only.

i think that your main goal will be to get artisan primary tool - 8 tokens. It is very serious buff, more than you can get from 2 aritsan items (4 tokens each). But check all artisan tools and gear stats and only then decide in which order you will get it.

Ps sorry you have very few cp and bouillbasse hq will give you 41 cp only and you will have 360 cp only under food. So, you will need to cath 2 good conditions and hit ToT, or meld 2 cp somewhere.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Well, the one thing that I know will help that I haven't done yet is to meld my accessories. There I can add CP as my belt and all my accessories do not have any material yet.

[Alx789]

I think, you should read guides before doing melds.
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-d...materia-melds/
Maybe it will be better for you to make few melds with low cost materia having in mind to remeld your gear later. Maybe it should be better for you to reach minimum you need to craft tokens and get i70 unmeldable artisan gear 20 tokens needed + 8 tokens for tool.

[KinnisonArc]

Ok here are my current stats:

360 Craftsmanship
338 Control
319 CP

I'm not sure if the simulator is accurate with your stat setup but anyway here's the rotation I used for the brocades or other 2 star tokens. You will need to level up some of the classes to 50 first however.

The "Tricks of the Trade" steps in the rotation are only used at points where it won't interrupt steady hands or waste not and also take note the remaining CP in the rotations are not accurate so it's best to have more starting CP just to be safe. You can use that skill elsewhere if you feel you're not having enough CP but you will have to figure out how to make up for that.

> Comfort Zone is optional if you don't plan to have Alchemist 50 sooner but the extra CP helps.
> Innovation is also optional but it's better to have it as it raise control and also chance to bait for a Good condition for your Byregot. (Only if you have extra leftover CP)

Simulator starts with all HQ materials.

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbfsj

> You'll need level 50 leatherworker and blacksmith for this, alternatively if you can't get leatherworker to 50 first, get blacksmith's Ingenuity II first and use this instead (replaces WN2 with 2 WN1)

http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbfsk

Hopefully this helps.

[Gillionaire]

I would really advise against using basic touch rotation if you're lacking the cross class skills and undergeared.

Basic Touch is a luxury skill for people who have 4-star stats when they want to craft 2 star and lower items..

Hasty Touch will come out on top most of the time. You can fit in about 6-7 basic touches at your current CP situation as opposed to 11 or 12 depending on ToTT proc. just 10 hasty will give you an average of 8 successes, and more will obviously be better.

Having said that, your CP pool is too low to come up with a decent rotation even with HQ Bouillabaisse without accounting for ToTT. If you have it, you'll need 2 procs of Good condition which means you should be just fine.

Also, for melding your accessories.
If you meld Con + 3 as your first materia.
Then CP+3 CP+3 Craftsmanship+4, and Con+1 as your fifth one, that should save you some money over using a tier 4 control materia.
It may be cheaper also to swap the Craftsmanship +4 and the CP+3 order if Competence II is more expensive than Cunning III.



I've come up with a couple of rotations using the lokyst simulator but I don't think that one creates links
ffxivcrafter.com seems to be down atm. I'll post the rotations later when I have a chance.

Even came up with one that doesn't require Ingen II or Byregots.. can't link them!!

[Aeyis]

Ok here are my current stats:

360 Craftsmanship
338 Control
319 CP

Currently, I have no materia melded onto any of my accessories, my belt or the Artisan Wheel.

The rotations you posted before, how much CP do I need to pull those off?

I would strongly advise that you work on melding first, as you are missing a lot of stats. CP is the thing you need the most, so you'll want to place some in as soon as possible. However, do follow the melding priorities listed in:
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-d...materia-melds/

With your current stats and without Byregots a rotation you could use would be something like this:

http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbfsq

----Macro 1----
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
----Macro 2----
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Rumination" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

Where you basically use hasty touch under SH II, regain as much CP as possible with ToT, and use mani to restore dura.
Don't ToT when the Waste Not is active. Note that to have enough CP for this rotation, you will need to have 7 more CP melded to your equipment, and must atleast ToT once. The rotation requires about 27 CP more then you would have using HQ Bouillabaisse. Otherwise you will need atleast 2x ToT uses.
Note that since this one uses Rumination: be aware of how much CP you would get back if you don't reach 11 stacks of Inner Quiet.

Even came up with one that doesn't require Ingen II or Byregots.. can't link them!!

Something like this I suppose. Been ages since I worked with Rumination, had to reselect skills to add it to the simulator.

I would really advise against using basic touch rotation if you're lacking the cross class skills and undergeared.

Basic Touch is a luxury skill for people who have 4-star stats when they want to craft 2 star and lower items..

Essentially this OP. If you were to compare my earlier rotation with this one:
The first one is how youll ideally want to do it, and the second one how you can do it in less then ideal circumstances.
The first one has a lot less RNG so will be less stressful, but to be able to reach it you'll need to be fully melded (CP atleast, but you can't neglect materia with a higher melding priority due to cost)

[Gillionaire]

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Yes, that's pretty much spot on, but I did account for ToTT and since rumination can drag you on for 30+ steps, I also did 3 rumination cycles with IQ in between (not much of a CP save, but gets you more chances to hit ToTT) But then again, that kind of rotation can't really be macro'd..
I'm actually curious to see what kind of things I can do with rumination rotation.. Glad to see somebody who actually knows how to use it

Also... Is it just ME that ffxivcrafter.com is down for? I keep getting bad request error.

[Aeyis]

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I guess we get too used to using the same abilities all the time.
This topic is quite insightful, helped me remember the uses of a few abilities.

Ingen over Ingen II when possible, would save CP and a slot. Rumination over Byregots to extend steps. Standard Synthesis over CF II if it saves a step and you have the CP. Masters mend II vs Mani vs WN vs WN II.
I'm curious to how useful Rumination rotations can be as well. Whether 2x Rumination or Rumination with a Byregot after it.

... Is it just ME that ffxivcrafter.com is down for?

ffxivcrafter.com is working for me. Using firefox, not sure if it's browser related or what not. (haven't updated my browser in a while tho)

[NorthernLadMSP]

Thanks all for the information. However, I am going to have Byregot's before I attempt these. I'm currently working on carpenter and got to lvl 35 last night. I just need a few more cross class skills (at least the lvl 15 ones).

I'm just confused now as to what CP I should be aiming for. I have no problem SB'ing and getting a bunch of matiera on my accessories, and I will use the guide posted to do so.

Should I be aiming for CP in the 360 range?

[NorthernLadMSP]

I logged off on weaver, so you guys can check out the melds I have done so far on my gear.