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  1. #21
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkerOrange View Post
    True, but that is not a reason to pick crit over MND for example. I would gladly pick crit over SpSp, PIE or DET, but iLvl beats out everything IMO.
    This isn't true. It usually is, but not always.

    I'm stuck using the Demon skirt of Healing right now because my heals would actually get worse if I upgraded to dreadwyrm or poetics (albeit slightly, but still relevant).

    Determination is 0.3 of a stat point, It's good to factor this in if you upgrade from something with det to something without. The demon skirt has more crit than the dreadwyrm as well.

    Of course the argument could be made that I'd be getting piety and some VIT with the upgrade...I don't need more of either even in T13, so whatever.
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    Last edited by FoxyAreku; 03-22-2015 at 04:02 PM.

  2. #22
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    Darkmoon Vael
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    This isn't true. It usually is, but not always.

    I'm stuck using the Demon skirt of Healing right now because my heals would actually get worse if I upgraded to dreadwyrm or poetics (albeit slightly, but still relevant).

    Determination is 0.3 of a stat point, It's good to factor this in if you upgrade from something with det to something without. The demon skirt has more crit than the dreadwyrm as well.

    Of course the argument could be made that I'd be getting piety and some VIT with the upgrade...I don't need more of either even in T13, so whatever.
    For t13 this is only true if you suppliment the loss of defense and vit on the i120 pieces with an i110 crafted accessory with vit in it, which is what you are doing. If you were to upgrade the i120 WoD pieces you have on for BiS 130, you can drop the i110 ring with vit melded into it.
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  3. #23
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    Zhycrana Dranix
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    Tonberry
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    I'm a endgame SCH

    Gear list:

    Augmented Optics Dread Neck
    Dreadwyrm Robe Dread Ears
    Augmented Belt Augmented Bracelet
    Tonban of Healing Platinum Ring
    Augmented Boots Augmented Healing Ring

    Pending My Dread Ring , WHICH MY WHM rolled on -__-

    My crit would stand around 586-8ish
    I had a melded set with crit reaching up to about 640ish
    I cut it down due to the increase in base heals with the plus 25-30 MND I gained

    From my exp , crit is great , especially for SCHs but having my eos at a base around 1000-1100 heals on top of my average of 1500-1600 , helps a bit more , also

    allows me to effectively DPS a tad bit more since the jump in MND helps Eos a bit more ( a few 100 goes a long way) not to mention the added det from the Neck.....

    SCHs can ''OVER'' prioritize on crit if they want to , I just took what was intended and it's still very effective (T13 down for weeks and farming) I still crit aldos at a very good rate 29%-33% (Apk Eggs) And the scalability is crazy 2750 crit aldo 2550 aldo's in T13 can be very pleasing ...even with my crit build 1700-1900 was the peak of actual heal it was going for......I don't even see the difference in rate (though maybe a mind game ) I can honestly say their is a such thing as over prioritizing ...and it would be the equivalent of the 660 ACC type people lol
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  4. #24
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    as a SCH since the beginning, I realize that secondary stat do not matter especially crit when your luck is as good as mine
    my physics crit / my adlo don't = unreliable stat
    so now I just focus on ilv, MND and HP
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    my physics crit / my adlo don't = unreliable stat
    I believe each ability has a crit rate attached to them as well
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    E'dok Edok
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    TBH, I now take the view that anything over 500 crit is fine. Crit Adlos are nice and all, so maximising you chances of one is fine (to a point), but you should never be relying on RNG to heal.

    If I use Adlo, I need to be using it in a way that the target will not die if I don't crit, so a crit simply means a couple of GCDs for DPSing or healing someone else.
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  7. #27
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    For t13 this is only true if you suppliment the loss of defense and vit on the i120 pieces with an i110 crafted accessory with vit in it, which is what you are doing. If you were to upgrade the i120 WoD pieces you have on for BiS 130, you can drop the i110 ring with vit melded into it.
    Yeah, maybe I'll change my mind if the dreadwyrm ring drops from t12. So far though, no such luck.
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  8. #28
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    Coldea Abyssae
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    The more I play, the more I think that healing is, when it really matters (T13), NOT about secondary stats, it is about skill and MP management.
    Prioritize what you want. Of course, a crit Adlo before a Flatten is huge. Of course, DET is really nice to have, when you heal for 1500 and not 1450, but 'healing checks' are not met with bigger numbers, but with more preparation.
    Did you use Fey Covenant before that Gigaflare ? If yes, thats roughly 700dmg per player that will be mitigated, which is almost 70% of a regular Adlo for everyone...
    Did you Virus that Akh Morn ? etc etc...

    Never ever rely on a crit to pass a certain ability.
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    Staris Fate
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    The real stat to stack is accuracy.
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  10. #30
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    Hazel Mimelia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldea View Post
    The more I play, the more I think that healing is, when it really matters (T13), NOT about secondary stats, it is about skill and MP management.
    Prioritize what you want. Of course, a crit Adlo before a Flatten is huge. Of course, DET is really nice to have, when you heal for 1500 and not 1450, but 'healing checks' are not met with bigger numbers, but with more preparation.
    Did you use Fey Covenant before that Gigaflare ? If yes, thats roughly 700dmg per player that will be mitigated, which is almost 70% of a regular Adlo for everyone...
    Did you Virus that Akh Morn ? etc etc...

    Never ever rely on a crit to pass a certain ability.

    I'm all about mitigation, 1st phase I use selene but the rest of the fight I use EOS
    Virus 1st flatten at right time to mitigate flatten and all three flare breathe
    I use eye after 1st earth shaker hoping that it will proc for megaflare, flatten and breathe
    I use succor before evey megaflare throughout the whole encounter(Accept for 1st one beause stoneskin is till on everyne) and Sacred soil (Not on first on) on stack party before it hits. I get the MT in it as well for reduce damage for next flatten and flare breathe. Switch eos.

    During giga I succor 1st, put a virus and sacred soill. I use whispering dawn so WHM does't take hate by accident.

    for 1st rage of bahumt I use fey covenant, succor and sacred soils, follwed with whispering dawn
    2nd rage of bahumut i use Fey illumination, succor and sacred soil.

    we skip 3rd one.

    Gigaflare my virus is is up and I use that with succor and sacred soil

    Add phase dont care much the WHM usually solo heals that unless he ask me to help so no rotation. I only succor and put a Sacred soil up when sins come out just in case the dps derps and forgets to attack one.

    last phase is Virus 1st Ahk morn and 3rd one. Use sacred soil for each megaflare and gigaflare with succor. On 1st giga I use fey covenant and Fey illumination and sacred soil for bigger shield and magic defense.

    Morale of my story I go balls to the wall when it comes to mitigation. I hardly ever ignore mechanics so I dont get rusty
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