Losing the RMT spam war SE?

[Kosmos992k]

The entire crafting system in FFXIV would be completely unsustainable, without RMT shard bots. Literally, if all RMT was instantaneously shut down, the entire economy derivated from shards (crafted goods, potions, food) would all instantly skyrocket to 10 to 50 times its current pricing, due to lack of shard supply.

RMT is a backbone of the FFXIV crafting system. fact.

Well, it might impact the sale of basic lvl 50 weapons and accessories so beloved of 'bots, but since those are sold on the open market, it's not like anyone is trying to sell to 'bots, but no RMT would decimate the sale of such items.

Not sure that having basic materials suddenly undergo a price correction would be a bad thing, it would restore the value to the efforts of gatherers.

Its actually proven to be a VERY good way to mitigate RMT spam as they won't exert the effort to spam a game that they can't profit from.

Proven? Not sure I agree about it being proven, that seems rather counter intuitive since RMT can take advantage of their automated gil fountains ('bots) to purchase those PLEX items to 'pay' for their time reducing their basic cost of operation. I honestly don't think that this PLEX thing you promote would do anything more than decrease the $$ value of gil in the sort term and enable more MRT in the long term.

[Amenian]

Speak for yourself. I almost never see RMT spam. Maybe one message a week. I think I have 2 people on my black list at the moment. Everyone does not share the problem the same way you do. You're assuming that all players have the same problem

You're on fucking Balmung dude! Seriously, how are you people on Balmung still not getting it?!? If RMT can't create a character there, they can't do their create-spam-delete-create cycle that the rest of us are seeing. Are you special? I mean seriously dude. It doesn't even take a whole lot of thought to figure that out!

[Tiggy]

You're on fucking Balmung dude! Seriously, how are you people on Balmung still not getting it?!? If RMT can't create a character there, they can't do their create-spam-delete-create cycle that the rest of us are seeing. Are you special? I mean seriously dude. It doesn't even take a whole lot of thought to figure that out!

The point was literally not to make assumptions about the state on all servers. Not that this wasn't a problem. I draw attention to...

You're assuming that all players have the same problem.

Based on your anger I'd say you completely missed the point of my message. It's about assumptions. About the falsity of blanket statements and the fallacies they represent.

In the end the only important part is this anyway.

If they didn't have a market they'd go away. Blame the players for sustaining their business.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Um, why do you think SE only takes action once a week? They report the action taken once a week, that is not the same thing as taking action once a week.

because they do... it was stated by a red name. i don't know where the post is, it was like a year ago. but it was stated that punishment issued for illicit activities will be done collectively on a weekly basis.


either way, no matter how you look it at... the situation hasn't changed even a tiny iota since launch. nor is there any sign of change coming our way. it is very discouraging. i have played MMORPG's since like 1996... heck, i can't even remember if they were actually called MMO's at that time. anyhow, i have never once ever experienced such high volumes of RMT activity as i have here.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yeah, they are beyond more annoying than they have ever been so far in my time with this game. I was off yesterday, online all day, and I had to have gotten more than 50+ RMT spam tells.

[DragonFlyy]

There is only one way to stop RMT. That would be to remove trading of any kind. You will never get rid of RMT as long as there is something of value that people just want to pay for.

[Kosmos992k]

because they do... it was stated by a red name. i don't know where the post is, it was like a year ago. but it was stated that punishment issued for illicit activities will be done collectively on a weekly basis.

I think though that you are misunderstanding their point. The take action continuously, they do ban in waves, but that doesn't mean that they are doing nothing in between. Each account ban has to be handled correctly, they cannot just ban on spec because there are reports of RMT spam. Your post says they do nothing but take action once a week, that's not true.

The situation has changed, the frequency of spam has gone down as well as up, and will again.

[Amenian]

Based on your anger I'd say you completely missed the point of my message. It's about assumptions. About the falsity of blanket statements and the fallacies they represent

More exasperation than anger. It seems like every day there's a new person from Balmung in these threads going "I don't see what the problem is, I rarely get RMT tells. I'm on Balmung!!". The manner in which this is generally said makes it obvious they are saying it to discredit those who are fed up with RMT tells. It gets very frustrating when you're on a smaller server like mine and you have people acting like your problems don't exist because they can't see past the nose on their face. Rereading your posts I see I overreacted to you specifically a little bit. My apologies.

I think though that you are misunderstanding their point. The take action continuously, they do ban in waves, but that doesn't mean that they are doing nothing in between. Each account ban has to be handled correctly, they cannot just ban on spec because there are reports of RMT spam. Your post says they do nothing but take action once a week, that's not true.

I think people aren't articulating themselves very well when they say SE does nothing. Yes, SE does ban some accounts as we see in their reports. They've been doing this since the game launched and yet we see no appreciable difference in the frequency of RMT spams. In fact, overall the frequency seems to be increasing. It's not that SE does nothing. It's that SE does nothing effective. They, for whatever reason, seem to lack the ability to adapt at all. What they're doing isn't working, yet they show no inclination to change tactics.

[Anapingofness]

rmt messages bother people that much? I just ignore them.....Even times when Ive gotten em back to back to back, it usually happens and then doesnt happen again for another hour or so. You guys have chat logs that are THAT important or something?

Maybe on your server you get a tell every hour or so. On Goblin it's non stop. There is no break.
And yes, my chat logs *are* that important to me. I enjoy chatting with my friends in FFXIV or if I'm helping someone, I try not to have the conversation in /shout and instead in /tell.
I liked having the option to choose which chat channel I wanted to use to communicate with other players. I do not appreciate being forced to turn off one channel because of selfish pricks who buy gil.

[Kuwagami]

More exasperation than anger. It seems like every day there's a new person from Balmung in these threads going "I don't see what the problem is, I rarely get RMT tells. I'm on Balmung!!". The manner in which this is generally said makes it obvious they are saying it to discredit those who are fed up with RMT tells. It gets very frustrating when you're on a smaller server like mine and you have people acting like your problems don't exist because they can't see past the nose on their face.

I'm on cerberus, a server which is (as far as I know) totally open for character creation at any time of the day. Yet I get even less RMT tells here than I used to receive back when I was on Balmung. Honestly, if your server is overrun by RMTs, that's because some of your server mates (enough to justify a market) are lame and went the easy road of the credit card. Not because your server is open.