When is summoner getting ramuh/shiva/levi?

[Bishop81]

Look at my pictures, even in XI they weren't "screen blocking" they were nice sized lol.

I don't understand why they won't even scale them up a. Bit... And stop making garuda look like a booger, but that's another story.

Never played FFXI, but from screenshots they seem reasonably sized.

Just pointing out that it's not due to technical limitations that the egis are small and it's more a matter of ergonomics.

On the same note, "reasonable sized" is a pretty subjective thing. The current FFXIV team probably felt that the Egi's current models are "reasonably sized".

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

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i completely understand how hardware limitations work, and what they are for the PS3. i don't think you understand that it makes absolutely no sense to actually be able to summon the primal themselves. it is fine in a single player game, but would be totally ridiculous in an online game. i can't even begin to comprehend as of to why they allowed players to do such a thing in FFXI. there is simply no logic to it.

[KaedrianLiang]

Covering 4/5th the screen with chocobos wasn't enough. That one just had go flailing into the camera.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

lmao @ that guy jumping off of the chocobo. he reminds me of the way Mario dies in his video games. the chocobo could be Yoshi :P lols... just that one character jumping off like that makes this GIF several times funnier. xD

but it seems to be out of sequence, or maybe some time was edited out. this seems to be a very well made GIF. however, i know nothing.

[Dyvid]

First, this is an MMO so you can't have cinematic Summons like Ramuh FFXV or Ifrit Crisis Core. Sorry, move on.

Second, Egi were designed as to not interfere with other player abilities to see enemy attacks and gimmicks. Also the devs also wanted to maintain the purity of power in the primals appearance, kind of hard to have an Ifrit primal the size of a lalafel and not find it laughable. It isn't because of any limits of the system.

FYI OP: Ramuh and Shiva have been mentioned as future Egis but not Leviathan.

[Luvbunny]

Leviathan as egi could add: poison, slow debuff, silence, grant water shield to party members that absorb x amount of damage
Ramuh could add: enthunder, shock spikes that have a percentage to paralyze trash mobs and deal additional damage, AOE thunder DOT,
Shiva could add: frost DOT, ice spikes, attack down debuff on trash mobs, piercing or slashing resistance down for 10 seconds
Ifrit could get additional: attack up for party member for 15 seconds every 2 minutes
Garuda could get: hastega for 30 seconds every 2 mnts
Titan could get: earthen armor - absorb certain amount of damage mitigation within 30 seconds evert 3 minutes.

Basically bringing some of FFXI elements to the mix.

[Tiggy]

i don't think you understand that it makes absolutely no sense to actually be able to summon the primal themselves. it is fine in a single player game, but would be totally ridiculous in an online game.

I was never saying this...even earlier pointed out to someone else that they can't be that big in an mmo. Even still FFXI's Summoners were indeed larger which is why I was pointing out the ps3 limitations might be more strict than what the ps2 was working with causing the Egi's we got to be more of a compromise with system performance. Even with the lore they could have gone with a different look that was larger than what we got and still have considered it to be a fraction of the primal's true power. Much the same way that Garuda Story Mode looks identical to Garuda Ex despite the clear difference in power. What they went with was an aesthetic choice on their part, and they deliberately kept them smaller and deformed.

Since XI was able to summons bigger I don't think having them at least that big failed to work in an MMO. It just might not be possible in XIV. Not yet anyway.

[Kuwagami]

FYI OP: Ramuh and Shiva have been mentioned as future Egis but not Leviathan.

that's Ramuh and levabeetus, not shiva. Shiva was not in the discussions back when they told about it because shiva wasn't even a thing when they discussed this. (right after Ramuh's release)

[DracotheDragon]

to the OP asking about the egi's the new egi's will be apart of the summons new skills with 3.0 Ramuh and leviathan and shiva were conformed (as said by yoshi-p as leviathan some old guy and a cold one), as for people complaining about the egi's it had nothing to do with system limitation or hardwere limitations it was a deign choice, int he art of eorzea it says in there (as well as yoshi quite a few times during old live letters) stated that having the primal follow you , slough would make you feel more powerful, would demean the meaning behind the summons, so instead they went with egi's stating lore wise that it was only a fraction of the primals power was to make the actual primal feel much more powerful,

this way the iconic looks could be saved for boss battles, and the more simpler egi's could be used for summoners,

its not about hard were or software this was just a conscious design idea.

[Felis]

Even with the lore they could have gone with a different look that was larger than what we got and still have considered it to be a fraction of the primal's true power. Much the same way that Garuda Story Mode looks identical to Garuda Ex despite the clear difference in power.

Because Garuda story mode is not a fraction of Garuda ex mode, they are the same. The Ixal just gathered more crystals together to give her more power with the next summon.

And yes. The Egis are a lore design choice, made long before ARR alpha started.
I just wish the devs bring finally the feature ingame that allow FC to capture a primal for a whole week and where the primal don't respawn for other players until the FC used him, that was also a part of the Egi lore design choice. Keeping the primals unique as gods, where only 1 of each primal can exist at the same time in the open world and give the summoners only a fraction of the primals