How would identify a female player guy/girl?

[Red_Wolf]

So female gamers that I personally know tend to be a 50-50 split, not 50% of all female gamers play men. You didn't correct anything. You just threw your ego around.

How can your "correct" them when you're pretty much just making shit up?

I'm quoting studies. You two are telling me I'm wrong because of your own limited experiences. So stop stroking your own egos.

[ExKage]

I'm quoting studies. You two are telling me I'm wrong because of your own limited experiences. So stop stroking your own egos.

Says the person "quoting" studies.

[Amenian]

I'm quoting studies. You two are telling me I'm wrong because of your own limited experiences. So stop stroking your own egos.

First off, nowhere did you ever say you were quoting a study. You just threw out some random stats as facts and expected people to just accept them despite their personal experience stating otherwise.

Second, you provide no source to these studies.

You could just be pulling these studies out of your ass for all we know. So I maintain that you're still just throwing your ego around.

[TruebladeNuke]

*Leaves while there's only about 8 to 9 pages in this thread after having left posts*

*Comes back to see 32 pages*

... I... what? *Sigh* So this thread really did go down the direction I feared it would. Welp, I'm left with no choice then. Like what I'm doing with the "Blame Square for why we all play as Miqo'tes!" thread, I shall do here as well now:

[Noshpan]

Edited because Raisins..

... I... what? *Sigh* So this thread really did go down the direction I feared it would. Welp, I'm left with no choice then. Like what I'm doing with the "Blame Square for why we all play as Miqo'tes!" thread, I shall do here as well now:

Yup. I checked on this thread early (when there were only 5 or so pages) and knew it was going to go downhill. These kinds of threads are never productive and are nothing more than posts containing "Hey, my character is this gender, but I'm the opposite". And it sure didn't take long for there to be "lol there's no gurls on internets duh, who'd be dumb enough to put a computer in the kitchen derp derp derp". Though it is amusing to see some get squeamish about the idea of interacting with a guy playing a female character.

Fact: People play what they find fun, even if that character has some stark differences from the player (aside from race).

[Red_Wolf]

You just threw out some random stats as facts and expected people to just accept them despite their personal experience stating otherwise.

Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

[Amenian]

Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

Thanks. Interesting read. I will say that when I played WoW I experienced female gender-switching less often. Maybe the male avatars in WoW are less attractive to female gamers than they are here. This could account for mine, and others, personal experiences of closer to a 50-50 split rather than 7%. I also see more male gender-switching in this game as well. This may be due to the same reasons. People want to play something that is aesthetically pleasing to them. I think this can even transcend genders. If male avatars are more attractive to females in FFXIV than in WoW, they could by the same token be less attractive to males. I don't think there's anything weird about playing a female avatar. You're just playing what you find most aesthetically pleasing.

[Kosmos992k]

Fair enough. Do google searches for the Daedalus Project or any of his studies. Here's a blog post that gives an overview of most of the studies referenced in this thread: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...e_avatars.html

One 'study' does not help much in this area. Not to mention that this 'study' covered a tiny population of gamers invited to participate in an artificially created WoW event for the purposes of the 'study' I also not that there is no indication of any peer review - which is not terribly surprising considering that the authors affiliations include;

• Department of Journalism and Technical Communication, Colorado State University
• School of Information Studies, Syracuse University
• Institute of Communication, Culture and Information Technology, University of Toronto
• Journalism, Media Studies, and Public Relations, Hofstra University
• Communication Studies, Concordia University (Canada)

Without a control group, with no stated methodology, no involvement from the relevant field (psychology) and no peer review in evidence, that 'study' lacks the credibility to be called anything more than an exercise in public relations and pseudo science.

[Red_Wolf]

One 'study' does not help much in this area...

The studies were published in journals. The links were right there. I didn't dissect them but I'm also not quoting any conclusions from them. I have faith that academics can count in a sample size without needing a peer review or an expert in pyschology.

If you think the percentages are off then give me something besides "well in my guild we have X amount of females"... Otherwise, I'll use the study to say 25% of men play as females and 7% of females play as males.

[Kosmos992k]

The studies were published in journals. The links were right there. I didn't dissect them but I'm also not quoting any conclusions from them. I have faith that academics can count in a sample size without needing a peer review or an expert in pyschology.

Yes, I followed the links. You are not quoting conclusions as such, but you are leaning heavily on their conclusions. dissecting their report or study is not necessary to know that the sample size is small, the selection criteria are not rigorously explored and the methodology is not really elaborated upon.

Sample size has nothing to do with peer review or psychology it has to do with statistical validity, as does the selection method for the sample. Peer review is a process by which papers are reviewed by peers in the relevant field before publication to prevent 'bad' research from making it to journals and places like Slate.

The article you linked draws it's conclusions largely from the first study it provides a link to, and mentions the others in passing.

You dropped into the topic to state your opinion very strongly as if it were incontrovertible fact, and then when challenged provided one link who's primary source was a non peer-review journal article by journalism and Information sciences academics, not psychologists. Having faith in academics is all fine and well, assuming that they are at least in the correct field...