So I was kicked from Halatali today

[Taika]

I'm trying to decide if Seaverin is trolling everyone or just has no clue. I'm about 50/50 at this point.

Or both. I think his posts speak for themselves in reliability so I wouldn't worry any newbies would be fooled.

[Iagainsti]

That's exactly the reason I said 20 minutes. A typical run in Halatali takes at LEAST 25-27 minutes. It's very safe to assume that 5-7 of those minutes are out of combat, seems like you're the one griefing, calling others kiddos and elitists.

Nice Save #notreally. ^^Says the one griefing the OP and everyone who agrees. Your side of this argument, if im reading these 18 pages correctly, is that he should be expected to dps in Halatali NM for an average of 66dps when an actual dps is doing roughly 3x that damage or expect to be kicked because said healer isn't pulling his "full weight" and you and you're side of the floor reference 50+ content to back this up. No one cares that "A SCH has to dps in t13" or whatever bc it is not pertinent info to this debate. Smells like elitism to me, and historically, elitists in MMOs tend to be prepubescent teens, or child adults that no one really likes in RL.

[Lyzern]

Nice Save #notreally. ^^Says the one griefing the OP and everyone who agrees. Your side of this argument, if im reading these 18 pages correctly, is that he should be expected to dps in Halatali NM for an average of 66dps when an actual dps is doing roughly 3x that damage or expect to be kicked because said healer isn't pulling his "full weight" and you and you're side of the floor reference 50+ content to back this up. No one cares that "A SCH has to dps in t13" or whatever bc it is not pertinent info to this debate. Smells like elitism to me, and historically, elitists in MMOs tend to be prepubescent teens, or child adults that no one really likes in RL.

Yep, that's exactly the side I'm on.

You can call it whatever you like, I call it common sense. If you're standing/jumping/dancing around like an idiot while there's monsters to kill and no one to heal, you're useless and I will call you out on it NICELY, which you would've known if you actually read half the pages. But you guys are so defensive in your one-way minded arguments that you don't see anything else and then what do you do? You resort to calling names and making offensive assumptions. coolcool, continue on being a worse than average healer, we're just trying to make the community see the potential that healers' damage can do, trying to teach newer players what they should do and that they should do it before 50 so that they reach Lv50 and be excellent.

Also, where did you pull 220 DPS on Halatali from? Your butt?

[Cynfael]

Nice Save #notreally. ^^Says the one griefing the OP and everyone who agrees. Your side of this argument, if im reading these 18 pages correctly, is that he should be expected to dps in Halatali NM for an average of 66dps when an actual dps is doing roughly 3x that damage or expect to be kicked because said healer isn't pulling his "full weight" and you and you're side of the floor reference 50+ content to back this up. No one cares that "A SCH has to dps in t13" or whatever bc it is not pertinent info to this debate. Smells like elitism to me, and historically, elitists in MMOs tend to be prepubescent teens, or child adults that no one really likes in RL.

I'm sorry to interrupt a good self-righteous rant, but the issue quickly grew beyond the OP's issue. It's about the larger debate of appropriate healer DPS, not about ganging up on one still-learning healer.

[Iagainsti]

coolcool, I'm gonna start not using my summoner's pet or not turning on Defiance because I didn't feel like it, let's all be sub-optimal and drag our teammates down with us, yay!

Great Teacher, no sarcasm at all(this is the least pompous one, reread later posts for more)
Im not self righteous, I tank, so I could care less what the healer is doing as long as I'm still ticking. I do care that this guy got kicked for no reason, bc a healer not dpsing is not a reason, whether he is jumping around(what is with you and this analogy? I don't see ppl doing this)or not. Yes, I did pull that one number out of my "Butt"(do you even lift, Bruh?) bc I didn't want to do the math, but fire I has a potency of 130, lvl 20 wep dmg, im pretty close I think.

[Iagainsti]

I'm sorry to interrupt a good self-righteous rant, but the issue quickly grew beyond the OP's issue. It's about the larger debate of appropriate healer DPS, not about ganging up on one still-learning healer.

Start a new thread then dude, for said debate. This is about some dude getting kicked and not getting to enjoy the game.

[Lyzern]

Great Teacher, no sarcasm at all(this is the least pompous one, reread later posts for more) Im not self righteous, I tank, so I could care less what the healer is doing as long as I'm still ticking. I do care that this guy got kicked for no reason, bc a healer not dpsing is not a reason, whether he is jumping around(what is with you and this analogy? I don't see ppl doing this)or not. Yes, I did pull that one number out of my "Butt"(do you even lift, Bruh?) bc I didn't want to do the math, but fire I has a potency of 130, lvl 20 wep dmg, im pretty close I think.

thx, i try.

My analogy comes from the multiple times I have ACTUALLY, WITH MY OWN EYES, seen a Healer LITERALLY jump around the rest of the party without healing or dealing damage. This is the reason I make my point stand out this much.

See, this is how I knew you pulled that number out of your butt (what's that got to do with lifting?). You're talking about Potency, sure, all well and good. You know how much Potency Stone II has? 170. And don't say that BLMs and SMNs have higher Magic Attack than WHMs and SCHs, because that's just bullcrap, Cleric Stance makes you on par in the magic attack regard.

Now, I'm not saying healers deal as much or higher damage than DDs, OBVIOUSLY. I'm just stating that it's not "30%" or "50%" of their damage, it's higher than that, especially at lower levels, because the gear makes almost no difference and the DDs' capabilities are very limited, while the Healers' damage spells reach their peak sooner (because they are MUCH more basic).

The biggest drawback about healers' dps is the fact that we don't always have the time or the resources to do, while the DDs have unlimited of each.

[Iagainsti]

thx, i try.

My analogy comes from the multiple times I have ACTUALLY, WITH MY OWN EYES, seen a Healer LITERALLY jump around the rest of the party without healing or dealing damage. This is the reason I make my point stand out this much.

See, this is how I knew you pulled that number out of your butt (what's that got to do with lifting?). You're talking about Potency, sure, all well and good. You know how much Potency Stone II has? 170. And don't say that BLMs and SMNs have higher Magic Attack than WHMs and SCHs, because that's just bullcrap, Cleric Stance makes you on par in the magic attack regard.

Eff sakes, Lyzern *Pulls out Darklight Abacus of Debunking* Stone II potency is 170, granted, but so is Fire I for example. A lvl 20 HQ wep damage is 25, but a Dps( let's stick with Blk mage) has an int modifier on their wep, plus the whole right side of their gear, where a healer, geared correctly misses out on all those dmg modifier. 200 was a ball park, and throw those numbers into the calculation if you'd like a true value, but we're splitting hairs here. Also, wow yeah weird to see someone jumping around, and I agree that if they can press the jump button, they can press the stone II, aero button instead, but eff, A HEALER GOT KICKED BC HE DIDN'T DO DMG IN HALATALI NM WHILE HE WAS STILL HEALING. Does that not set off some kind of "A**hole elitist fap fap" alarm in everyone's head? regardless of your stance on healers dps, this situation is ridiculous and I'd hate to see someone stop being a healer or playing entirely.

[Cynfael]

The OP, Skyhunter, read and responded to relevant posts and seems to have gotten out of this thread whatever he had hoped/expected to get quite a few pages ago. That particular chocobo has been bludgeoned thoroughly to death. I don't think it even makes wet sounds when you hit it now. No one is attacking him, and he doesn't need defending.

[Skyhunter]

If I were to pick up said chocobo and DPS with it, would that make sounds? I would be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying reading all the posts that are made.

I had to say though I appreciate Iagainsti's sticking up for healers and players in general.