GM Promoting Harassment in Game

[Rinuko]

There is a auto kick in wod atleast

[Kerii]

I can't see this as abuse. You should have just left when they said no.

[Teryaani]

I think the place where this falls apart a bit is that you threatened to report the player for leeching to begin with. My wife and I use the "Hey <playername>, you coming?" in party chat to test the waters first. If we get a parade of jerkish responses from the rest of the party we can assume that they grouped together and either leave or deal with it (if they ever were to get abusive in their responses, we'd report it, but none have gotten there yet).

If you see players trying to get the group wiped (and they admit to it in the chat window), that the GM can do something about. Leeching? Not as much.

[CYoung187]

Hard for me to believe there isn't more to the story when you exaggerate to the extreme to say they are promoting harassment. I agree more should be done against those that harass in DF, but they in no way promoted harassment, come on. This whole story could be exaggerated for all we know.

[Yamimarik]

The reason why I said promoting is because when I told the guy I'm going to report you for bring someone to leech (which I thought was harassment but apparently it's not and the group can set their rules) he said "do it, bitch". That means he knows the the GM won't really take action on it by doing it and using bad language, he sounded sure.

Sorry for not adding enough details, but it wouldn't allow me to write more than 1000 words for the thread.

I'd just like to stop you right there... strictly speaking from a semi-personal experience. My old FC leader once acted not so very nice to an alliance in WoD one time (I was completely mortified the entire run /sigh) and many people threatened him with a call to a GM because of his behavior. Well don't tell me they don't do anything and just turn a blind eye, the next few days he got a warning then two days after that he got a temp. ban. Apparently someone at least reported him and the GM investigated due to his bad behavior and he was rightfully punished for it.

Also if you just type out everything you want, post just a little or the 10word min. then copy/paste what you typed before you can by pass the 1000 word limit.

[Riepah]

Sadly, "Vote Kick abuse" doesn't quite exist. SE claims it does, but in truth, there's barely anything that would fit their strange definition of what consists abuse.

You also can't rely on random people to be reasonable about vote kicking. I've often seen people behaving like the worst scum on the earth not getting kicked, while others get kicked for the tiniest reasons. It's basically part of the game's already rampant RNG. If you want to avoid vote kick frustrations, try to sign up with half a group - 2 people for 4 mans, 4 people for 8 mans, then you have the power to kick whoever you want, and nobody else can kick anyone without your group's consent.
To clarify, I'm suggesting this ONLY to help you avoid abuse in the future, NOT to enable you to abuse the system yourself. You only need 50% to kick someone, no more, no less.

In 4 man dungeons, 2 people can kick either of the other 2. So when there's a disagrement between 2 groups of 2 people each, whoever kicks first, wins. Don't let jerks push you around, but don't be a jerk yourself.

[Zebyxus]

Stryder, bad language doesn't necessarily mean they're swearing or cussing, people can abuse you by using everyday words "Why are you so retarded?! Can't you do anything right?!" for example. Things like that I've seen will upset people much more than swearing at them or calling them out directly with the 'usual' insults like n00b.

As for the GM's actively promoting a toxic community? I wouldn't go so far as to say that's true, but I do believe we need greater ability to help curb bad attitudes before we wind up with League of Legends style toxicity.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Oh how this reminds me of last night in WOD. Two horrible healers who literally weren't healing, to the point of literally letting the whole team die on the VERY first set of ADDS. They barely healed during the first boss. Half the team died multiple times while they stood around doing very little. One was even in Cleric Stance DPSing while people were low health to dead.

Then finally, my friend speaks up and says that while they appreciate some extra DPS, we aren't getting any heals. I respond and say yes, they need to do their jobs and heal, and if they don't like healing they should pick a new job.

One of the healers tells us to "go f**k ourselves." We get to Cerebrus and the one who told us "to go f**k ourselves" flat out in chat says they refuse to heal us for the battle. Luckily Second Wind and Eos auto healing were enough to keep me alive that fight.

Then as the whole alliance is standing at the entrance to the Cloud of Darkness room, they vote kick me. Two of my static members were with me and voted no, but it seems they were outvoted because the other 5 people were all in the same FC together.

[Ashkendor]

Why not find a solution like those who entered as a group can't vote kick? I'm sure many went through this and it's really a waste of time.

So if I decide to run a dungeon or raid with some friends and we end up with one random idiot that acts up and makes it miserable for us, we shouldn't be able to kick them? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. :|

The GMs don't share the results of their investigations but that does not mean they don't take action.

This. They can't tell you about what they did with the other players because of privacy concerns.

[LunaHoshino]

I think the important part here was that the rest of the party was okay with the player being AFK for whatever reason. They could have been leeching, or they could have had to AFK for a legit reason-- you don't know that. I've had a situation where I've gone in with a group (with all of us on VOIP) and one person needed to temporarily AFK because their pizza was delivered. We all knew they would be back, so if someone had tried to kick them, we would've voted 'No.'

Heck, I once had to AFK right as a dungeon started because my parakeet got out of his cage. Fortunately I was with a group of friends, but things can and do happen and there isn't always a clear-cut way to tell whether an AFK is legit or not.