GM Promoting Harassment in Game

[TheMunimai]

The reason why I said promoting is because when I told the guy I'm going to report you for bring someone to leech (which I thought was harassment but apparently it's not and the group can set their rules) he said "do it, bitch". That means he knows the the GM won't really take action on it by doing it and using bad language, he sounded sure.

Sorry for not adding enough details, but it wouldn't allow me to write more than 1000 words for the thread.

Ahh I see!

What I find worse is that if you tell people "Im going to report you" they can effectively report you straight back for "harassing" them :/

[Yamimarik]

The reason why I said promoting is because when I told the guy I'm going to report you for bring someone to leech (which I thought was harassment but apparently it's not and the group can set their rules) he said "do it, bitch". That means he knows the the GM won't really take action on it by doing it and using bad language, he sounded sure.

Sorry for not adding enough details, but it wouldn't allow me to write more than 1000 words for the thread.

I'd just like to stop you right there... strictly speaking from a semi-personal experience. My old FC leader once acted not so very nice to an alliance in WoD one time (I was completely mortified the entire run /sigh) and many people threatened him with a call to a GM because of his behavior. Well don't tell me they don't do anything and just turn a blind eye, the next few days he got a warning then two days after that he got a temp. ban. Apparently someone at least reported him and the GM investigated due to his bad behavior and he was rightfully punished for it.

Also if you just type out everything you want, post just a little or the 10word min. then copy/paste what you typed before you can by pass the 1000 word limit.

[Magis]

Promoting? Wat?

Inaction isn't promoting anything.

[Welsper59]

Promoting? Wat?

Inaction isn't promoting anything.

Inaction is an indirect way of saying it's okay to do these things. Perspectives. I always use this as an example, but the AFK situation for PvP in WoW years ago is a perfect example of inaction and players unintentionally forcing the devs hand. It was so bad... so bad to see 70/80 players (if not the both teams entirely) in a 40v40 match just AFK every single time. It started off as nothing major, with a few doing this, then after months of it happening and no penalties for it, practically everyone joined in. No reason to bother to play honestly, since there were no consequences for doing nothing. It's the same as DNF with Chocobo Racing, but the difference being that unlike racing, you DO negatively affect the potential reward at the end of a match in the PvP situation that I refer to. So the devs eventually added a Vote Kick/AFK reporting option, where they literally stated that reports will be looked at and continued abuse of being AFK will result in consequences (bans, reward/item removal that were obtained from your AFKs, etc).

The only true way to see devs take action is to force their hand, as per the WoW example. Of course, such a thing won't happen overnight, though it will come sooner than it would have otherwise (if it would have even come at all). Thankfully, so far, it doesn't happen TOO much, but LotA is a perfect example of where you/anyone could take advantage. The mobs/bosses die fast, meaning each wing is cleared in minutes. People generally don't notice or care if you're not around for the first boss (thinking maybe you got locked out), but then take note of the fact that loot is still hanging. 5min timer? Yeah, no ones gonna wait for it to default to someone before they continue. Can't kick because it hasn't been 15min... though moreso, you can't kick while rolling on an item AND you can't kick in combat. When the time hits that it auto passes, you're already fighting the next boss, loot drops, can't be kicked. It's honestly the perfect means to be bad and I just laid out how it works. Simple, easy, and free of consequence.

[StryderOmega]

I see no promoting of harassment in anything you have mentioned.

Also, you have a language filter. Use it if you don't like seeing 'bad language.'

[BreathlessTao]

I agree SE should man up and pick a side already, with how DF is to be used and how Vote Kick is to be used. That's been the problem since the first day these were introduced, that they step back and want to leave every such ambiguous case to the players. Which clearly doesn't work, and really, the only thing making them ambiguous is the fact that they don't provide clear-cut rules/explanations/descriptions/whateveryouwannacallthem.

[ExKage]

While he was rude, and it wasn't called for, telling you that was not harassment so they wouldn't really do anything about it.

(To play Devil's Advocate) Based on that, they could see your calling for the party member being temporarily AFk harassment. They could be on VOIP and the person needed to leave for just a few min but you were so quick to get rid of them because they had to go or couldn't play with only one hand while eating a sandwhich. It's no different than people early pulling and leaving someone behind.

[LordHadi]

While he was rude, and it wasn't called for, telling you that was not harassment so they wouldn't really do anything about it.

(To play Devil's Advocate) Based on that, they could see your calling for the party member being temporarily AFk harassment. They could be on VOIP and the person needed to leave for just a few min but you were so quick to get rid of them because they had to go or couldn't play with only one hand while eating a sandwhich. It's no different than people early pulling and leaving someone behind.

Then why to enter from the first place if he knew he was going away for long? He went AFK as soon as we got in and stayed AFK for long. He wasn't locked out or anything, he just entered the duty and stayed where we started not moving.

[Taliph]

While he was rude, and it wasn't called for, telling you that was not harassment so they wouldn't really do anything about it.

(To play Devil's Advocate) Based on that, they could see your calling for the party member being temporarily AFk harassment. They could be on VOIP and the person needed to leave for just a few min but you were so quick to get rid of them because they had to go or couldn't play with only one hand while eating a sandwhich. It's no different than people early pulling and leaving someone behind.

Ok, Trabek, I'll go with "what are reasons not to queue?"

Not reason to afk for more then 1/4 of the run... Not a reason for their friends to be spouting profanity... Certainly not a valid reason to kick the person who mentioned the afk.

As much as I hate analogy in debate, this situation is quite akin to that of teachers overlooking bully's and punishing the victim by ignoring their plight.

[ExKage]

Not reason to afk for more then 1/4 of the run... Not a reason for their friends to be spouting profanity... Certainly not a valid reason to kick the person who mentioned the afk.

As much as I hate analogy in debate, this situation is quite akin to that of teachers overlooking bully's and punishing the victim by ignoring their plight.

You clearly do not know what playing the Devil's Advocate means do you?

Where did OP post how long he was AFK? I see no measure to base "too long" AFK anywhere. Maybe he was AFK for just a boss? Maybe not even 1 boss. Maybe just adds and 1 boss. A BRD in my party last night told us a sandwhich was just delivered after the first WoD boss which they had ordered long before they even queued for the fight. They told us, played Foe's Req and auto-attacked during just 1 trash pull. They finished and started to play again BEFORE THE NEXT PULL but they were harassed during the rest of the raid afterwards. One user couldn't even see that the BRD was actually doing their job but CLEARLY just 1 trash mob convinced them the player was not playing.

Perhaps the player needed to poop when they were queued with their friends and were going to come back as soon as possible but they did not want their friends to be penalized because they had to withdraw and they knew 1 person in Labyrinth of the Ancients is nothing. Maybe they were going to just leech. We don't know how long this person was AFK or how long the OP was even in LotA in the first place.

By no means am I saying that they're right to do so or that they were right to call him a bitch, but there's not nearly enough details and perhaps the OP was jumping to a conclusion too fast.