The Ultimate Black Mage Resources with Damage Calculator

[OneWingedSora]

Well regardless of how you "feel" with your anecdotal evidence both the calculator & the real world parses would point towards this being an incorrect statement. I'm sure we've both watched Aikaal's BLM guides & can agree he's doing things well enough, so the huge disparity in parses is more than likely attributed to gear rather than playstyle.

Actually , none of those parses mean shit as they are heavily dependent on mechanics , overall raid DPS and crit/proc rng. Just looking at the clear times of the top 3 parses proves this.

[KroLeXz]

Actually , none of those parses mean shit as they are heavily dependent on mechanics , overall raid DPS and crit/proc rng. Just looking at the clear times of the top 3 parses proves this.

He was making serveral reference to back his claim. The work done on the calculator (more than just theory,It's sound math on the dmg formula which matches IG numbers.) and parses taken from IG encounter (I'm sure those that submit their parses to puro, have played with different gear sets, the one that worked for them is one that they submitted with their highest parse. - we're not comparing players or groups, we're comparing gear sets.)

[Aikaal]

To begin with. T13 parse is stupid. Too much DPS results in a painful death before dive bombs so you have to stop.

Also, you can swap as many crafted piece you want to gain stats and it might end up being an overall single target dps gain, T13 has a long AoE phase. All the intellect you trash hurts your AoE. In an AoE situation spellspeed offers nothing.

In T13, everybody will tell you the hardest phase is the adds + divebombs. You want to get rid of these mobs asap.

If you want me to be more direct then I can... I respect Puro's work and he's an amazing guy. But his stat wights and his calculator has one major flaw. It's set for a single target fight. This is not the case for 3 out of 4 FCoB fight. This means his calculator is correct but doesn't represent the reality. I used to follow those numbers by heart and one time I randomly added more crit to my set and my DPS gain was enormous in T10 and T12.


If... you want something more solid for a proof. Look at the e-peen T12 kills numbers on his sheet. There's some BLMs that did 590 DPS. This is incredible damage. I also took a good look their encounter took 2 more minutes than my own parses meaning they are most-likely selling T12 to someone and they are doing this with 7 people while having the seller do nothing but live in the last phase. This means more Bennus and more flares. This also means 2 blackfires that they possibly Flared instead of letting the Scholar dot bane kill blackfires which is smarter DPS.

Also, in T13 again, the only way to get a huge parse is having people die so you get more AoE in the AoE phase. The ultimate way is to sell T13 with 3 DPS only and have Ninja + Bard + Black Mage. You'll get all benefits of having all the Foes since the Bard will get Goad all the time and with down time, ninja will never run out of TP so no Peon.

I will also post my T11 kill this week with the BiS I did with no crafted and I did 555 DPS. You'll need to take a good look also that I use Augmented Hat + Gloves because Dreadwyrm Gloves has yet to drop for me.

The one and only true turn to check your single target DPS is T11. It's really good since it's a skill check to keep your casts while moving, other turns are at risk of DPS inflation. Another example is my own T10 kill with 583 DPS. I had Augmented Ironwork Staff at the time. I didn't limit break and AoE phase was longer. I can also tell you I only had 600 Spell Speed and I could have got more but I invested in Crit and Det for that phase. The ultimate proof is Lucrezia's speed kill and the way they did it. They stacked all adds together since they could live the extra damage. Even with Limit Break, their Black Mage did 620 DPS and he had more crit than spell speed. They also did it much faster than [CL]

Now... I am aware everybody have their own concept of BiS. This one I posted requires no crafted piece. I did put one for T11 with 3 Crafted Items and it's probably not the best. It's just an example.

T13 set.
http://FFXIV.Ariyala.com/Q10T

Swap Dreadwyrm Staff with Lilith Rod ;-;

Looks solid ;o It's a lot of materias lol

Well, just looking at the T13 set offhandedly it's an alarming 10 DPS worse than the one I posted three pages ago as well as having 18 less Crit.

Seems like you're that guy that did 590 in T12. I'd like to see a video to see if your set is truly that amazing or there's elements in the fight that were used to help your DPS.

[Ceveth]

Every single parse I've submitted has had two BLM. Drastically reducing the amount of AoE & duration of adds being alive, while having the effect of drastically increasing parse times due to overall lower single-target DPS. Despite this my parses are still sitting atop the leader boards. As I don't play massively better than anyone else I'm going to attribute this to better itemization.

For reference, the parses I submitted; Note every single one includes two BLM.

T10 560.4 http://puu.sh/gpd2W/9410c9730c.jpg
T11 545.7 http://i.imgur.com/BkO4jpv.jpg
T12 590.5 http://puu.sh/gpjX5/9ad67b3b8f.jpg
T13 514.3 http://i.imgur.com/RhQArlx.png

[Dervy]

I also hope people realise theres a break point for all jobs that's different, were the relationship between WD/MD and mainstat actually decreases the weighted value of CRT & SS, right?

That's why I highly preach in the Dragoon community now to go against any set which uses more than 4 crafted pieces. The cost:dps ratio also becomes worse and worse because of this relationship I pointed out.

[Beliel]

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Its not because of better itemization, its because your overall group dps is low. (im not saying your itemization is bad btw).
Im giving you an example, in my group, both drg and mnk on turn 10 are breaking 500 dps each, so adds die really fast, less AOE.
In your parses your blm is doing low dps, and your brd isnt doing great either, the brd in my group is doing 400+ on turn 13 and he sings.

[Aikaal]

T10 560.4 http://puu.sh/gpd2W/9410c9730c.jpg
T11 545.7 http://i.imgur.com/BkO4jpv.jpg
T12 590.5 http://puu.sh/gpjX5/9ad67b3b8f.jpg
T13 514.3 http://i.imgur.com/RhQArlx.png

Can you show any videos of your fights? Even if you run double BLM in your runs, it doesn't change much. In fact, it tells me that he's using LB in T10 so in this situation, my 583 DPS parse in T10 wins and I had a 130 weapon back then. Also... That T12. With two black mages, why is he doing less damage than the Bard? I don't think he's doing any AoE at all. Even in T13.

The reason why I am asking a video is to see how much AoE you got in the fight because I could be wrong. But with no concrete proof, an imgur parse feels nothing but an answer without an explanation. This does not explain why your group is killing T12 two minutes longer.

That said, this week T11 I did. I did 555 DPS and it was a fast clear. I'll have the video post soon. And I do use the BiS I posted on youtube/spreadsheet. With the exception I use Augmeneted Hat + Gloves compared to Dreadwyrm Gloves + Hat since I don't have my dread gloves yet.

[Ceveth]

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I'm not arguing about whos parses win, this is a discussion about itemization. Regardless most groups don't even LB adds in 10 so it's a moot point to begin with.
Also I obviously don't have the per-fight spell usage of either of the other BLM but to think they both refused to cast a Flare on adds is asinine.

I also hope people realise theres a break point for all jobs that's different, were the relationship between WD/MD and mainstat actually decreases the weighted value of CRT & SS, right?

That's why I highly preach in the Dragoon community now to go against any set which uses more than 4 crafted pieces. The cost:dps ratio also becomes worse and worse because of this relationship I pointed out.

530.3 515 Acc
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PYH4

[Dervy]

e wrong. But with no concrete proof, an imgur parse feels nothing but an answer without an explanation.

This is why using parse results to argue about itemisation is flawed. Too many variables involved. Did you get lucky and crit your flares? Where you blessed with RNG with good DoT ticks? What about the +-0.5% damage RNG? Did you have to deal with less mechanics than another person in your group so you could deal more DMG?

[Ceveth]

This is why using parse results to argue about itemisation is flawed. Too many variables involved. Did you get lucky and crit your flares? Where you blessed with RNG with good DoT ticks? What about the +-0.5% damage RNG? Did you have to deal with less mechanics than another person in your group so you could deal more DMG?

Alright, then taking parses out of the equation entirely what exactly do we have to judge BiS on other than the calculator? Which when input with the set I suggested spits out the largest value?