So I was kicked from Halatali today

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Tempting offer Iagainsti. Especially for the PvP

Anyways, I'm with the rest that will try to weave in a little DPS with heals, but my job is to heal above all else as a healer. You can count on me to perform my primary role. All else is not only optional, it's purely situational. Tank just took it to the face without a cooldown? Screw Stone, he's getting healed. DPS didn't see that aoe? Sucks, but Holy can wait.

And I'll just be that mean person and say it: you tired of running that dungeon ad nauseum for your relic or just want to get it over with? That's your problem. Keeping you alive so you can actually do so? That's mine. If it takes you just a little longer on your Nth run of that dungeon because your healer is healing, then perhaps the fault doesn't lie with them?

Go all DPS pre made. Hope you can dodge like a champ.

[Lyzern]

LOL 1) 66*60*20 =79 200; 2) are you saying the every second of every minute in that dungeon, you're fighting?. Go back to school kiddo, spend less time griefing people here and read a textbook. All this talk about high tiered content, yes you should dps. Drives me nuts in Ramuh (any primal outside of shiva really) when the healer doesn't dps, because I do have 12k Ehp and a plethora of mitigating CDs and combos, but Halatali NM? Man, you're such a bunch of elitists and soooo off topic lmao.

That's exactly the reason I said 20 minutes. A typical run in Halatali takes at LEAST 25-27 minutes. It's very safe to assume that 5-7 of those minutes are out of combat, seems like you're the one griefing, calling others kiddos and elitists.

[Skyhunter]

Tempting offer Iagainsti. Especially for the PvP

Anyways, I'm with the rest that will try to weave in a little DPS with heals, but my job is to heal above all else as a healer. You can count on me to perform my primary role. All else is not only optional, it's purely situational. Tank just took it to the face without a cooldown? Screw Stone, he's getting healed. DPS didn't see that aoe? Sucks, but Holy can wait.

And I'll just be that mean person and say it: you tired of running that dungeon ad nauseum for your relic or just want to get it over with? That's your problem. Keeping you alive so you can actually do so? That's mine. If it takes you just a little longer on your Nth run of that dungeon because your healer is healing, then perhaps the fault doesn't lie with them?

Go all DPS pre made. Hope you can dodge like a champ.

I think I'm just gonna say I fully support this entire mindset that ThirdChild has and call it a day. She summed it up exceptionally well, and is right to say that if the DPS or Tank is having some individual problem with the speed of things doesn't mean it's my fault as long as things are going well. It's my job to give everybody the food they need, not make sure it's covered in icing on a pretty pink plate and delivered to your front door. When the going get's slow, I'll DPS (because I'm not lazy). However, I am the healer. I am making the judgement call as to when I think I need to stand by and devote all my attention to healing.

Are you a better healer than me? Can you DPS more than I can? Probably. I'd say in such a large game, there are about 2,000,000 players better than I am. Will I be able to DPS more later? Possibly, as I practice more. Either way like I said, if you want some special perfect group, I am SURE you can find 3 other like-minded individuals who can make a pre-made party with you. I, however, am not one of them. Sorry. I have gotten 250 commendations in the last month, and while that may or may not be more than anybody else has gotten, it seems to suggest I am doing something right. :P

[Cynfael]

If it takes you just a little longer on your Nth run of that dungeon because your healer is healing, then perhaps the fault doesn't lie with them?

I don't see anyone complaining about healers casting necessary heals instead of DPSing.

The issue that keeps getting skirted is what healers are expected to do when they have free GCDs and no immediate healing requirements. The sensible answer is "something productive, like DPS." If you truly need to be healing directly, especially if playing as WHM, no one will blame you for taking care of your party. If you're obviously doing nothing or are just playing badly, then that's a cause for concern.

[Skyhunter]

Honestly I don't really think a healer should be EXPECTED to do anything at that point. If you are with a team that is so capable at avoiding damage, you really shouldn't even have a healer with you at all (or else specifically bring a SCH so that he can full-time DPS while Eos heals).

I did do a run as a SCH recently just for comparison. The DPS abilities of SCH are FAR easier to use and more effective than those of WHM. I actually ran the entire dungeon casting about 5 physicks total and sticking to DPS the rest of the time.

I guess what I do when I'm not healing is I focus and stay ready. If I don't feel I need to focus on an impending situation, than I DPS. In my mind, my team is counting on me to be ready if something bad happens. If I am DPS'ing, then I certainly don't appear ready (in some cases I'm NOT ready) and as a DPS'er that annoyed me when the healer did that, so I assume there are those who think the same way towards me (and if this thread is any indication I'd say there are a fair amount that share a somewhat similar mindset, just as there are those that want DPS).

I get that way too in full parties as well. If our other healer starts DPS'ing in a place where I myself am not comfortable yet than I find that to be annoying and a distraction. I feel that odds are if there is a sudden issue he won't be ready, so I feel like it all falls on me to keep the other members, including the DPS'ing healer, alive.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I don't see anyone complaining about healers casting necessary heals instead of DPSing.

The issue that keeps getting skirted is what healers are expected to do when they have free GCDs and no immediate healing requirements. The sensible answer is "something productive, like DPS." If you truly need to be healing directly, especially if playing as WHM, no one will blame you for taking care of your party. If you're obviously doing nothing or are just playing badly, then that's a cause for concern.

Oh I agree actually. If everyone's good, I'll go ahead and put some stank on it (like my friends always say). But still, it's purely situational, and I'd be likely to laugh if someone demanded I DPS arbitrarily.

In fairness, I'm only a WHM currently (still working on SCH. It's on my pre-expansion bucket list).

[Seaverin]

For the same reason that a brd is labeled as a dps when the only reason to take him into any serious content are his supporting abilites.

A good player is somone who is going to use every tool available to him, which includes using damaging spells a healer. If you refuse to do so that's fine, it's your decision and I respect that (well, not really, but you know what I mean... xD). But being called an underperformer is something you have to deal with. If I refuse to use Mantra as a mnk because it's a supporting ability and I'm a dps, then I'm lazy and a bad monk and deserve to be called out for it. It's the same for
healers who refuse to do anything other than heal when they clearly have the tools to help out in other aspects.

But they have no right to kick someone out b/c they refused to do it. Doing extra is not necessary as long as you clear a dungeon (dungeon, OP is not talking about Raid contents). But most elitist whine, instead of just doing a standard dungeon run. That's why PF was implemented, if you want a specific pt then go start a PF, DF doesn't do that; you get what you queue up for.

[Seaverin]

You mean like this? Image is one of Lucrezia's T13 parses linked on Reddit. Scholars are expected to DPS in all Final Coil turns, White Mages not so much but they too contribute when possible.

"sch are expected to dps" no they are not expected to, lulz if your Healers dpsing in FCOB that can only mean your dps group is really bad.

[Cynfael]

"sch are expected to dps" no they are not expected to, lulz if your Healers dpsing in FCOB that can only mean your dps group is really bad.

I'm trying to decide if Seaverin is trolling everyone or just has no clue. I'm about 50/50 at this point.

[Lyzern]

I'm trying to decide if Seaverin is trolling everyone or just has no clue. I'm about 50/50 at this point.

He's just completely clueless, I think. He wants to voice his opinion but with his own silly arguments that make no sense. Notice how he avoided the Bards' songs and Tanks' damage arguments completely. Convinient for him so he can keep on giving bad advice to newbies who stumble upon his idiotic posts.