Housing market value & insane prices?

[MomomiMomi]

Have to say, though, it seems you guys actually have more houses sold than Behemoth does. You must have a lot of rich players hoarding gil.

Anyway, hope things can work out for you.

[Aeyis]

No reason to have a house?
I like to think having a house (being the ingame content & something i asked for myself) is suppose to be fun.

You read that wrong.

there is literally not reason whatsoever to not have a house.

Minions as an example is the only thing worth something, while doing off world trading / sales & come back with a fortune,
however that fortune is limited by SquareEnix dev team to 1mil /character & if not mistaken 100.000 gil / retainer.
In other words, i can transfer 1.4 mil on each server transfer. (and dont even call this RMT or scamming, it's legal)

Gil limitation on transfers is there on the gil...not any items you bring with you. As such you can bring gil with you in the form of items, altho im not aware if there is a limit to the amount of items you can take.
However, I can easily see someone making gil from a transfer, if they were to take with them a stack of say; MDs.

Actually screw this, seems you guys more interested in bashing how i make gil or not, instead you rather see wastedd ingame content go to waste.
Rather than making it actually useful for really freakin dedicated players?

All in all this housing idea and its details is going to waste.

You don't seem very dedicated if you played that long but don't have a house. While I can understand the perspective of a new player on an older server, the same does not hold true for someone that played since the start of the game. You have no reason to not have enough gil; other then lack of dedication.
Likewise, if there are plots available on your server, you have no reason to have not have a house.(other then lack of dedication)

Wow.. that certainly put my foot in my mouth..

But that sounds like a nice opportunity to make gobs of gil.

My thoughts exactly, in both regards.

anywayz, im gonna make a suggestion to SE's dev team.

Instead of maybe lowering the price to buy a house no matter what size.

How about letting me rent one for x amount of time?
(I dont mind making up the monthly rent/quota to pay the fee)

Or maybe even consider adding this small option to players that cant afford full price of a small house straight away?

That's a bad idea in my opinion. Houses are a luxury, they shouldnt be available to everyone off the bat.
A better idea would be to actually look at a servers market and base house prices off that.

[Zelas]

That's a bad idea in my opinion. Houses are a luxury, they shouldnt be available to everyone off the bat.

You see? That's the problem. There's some stupid mentality where people decided housing was a luxury when it really shouldn't be. That was NOT the point of housing, and the amount of features being added to housing in the first place is proof enough.

(That said, it might be true about PERSONAL housing. But that's something I was against, and wish they hadn't implemented. It completely killed the Free Company housing market.)

[BobbinT]

You read that wrong.

So... game should not be fun, is that what you're trying to say?

You don't seem very dedicated if you played that long but don't have a house. While I can understand the perspective of a new player on an older server, the same does not hold true for someone that played since the start of the game. You have no reason to not have enough gil; other then lack of dedication.
Likewise, if there are plots available on your server, you have no reason to have not have a house.(other then lack of dedication)

Dedication? really? Do you even understand the meaning of it?
FYI, I know some expert crafter who makes great deal of gil, only to burn them so fast for overmelding stuff just to make it more beneficial for advance content he/she's doing. That's dedication.

Having house plots available after patch went live, only to have it being cleared out so fast for ppl who has crazy fast connection, that's not dedication. Also, not all ppl have the luxury of having a really... really fast internet connection, so fast that when the patch live, you can just go so fast to buy the plots which ran out very quickly in minutes.

And please check the fact on the server before you blabbing your mouth. Masamune only has large housing left to purchase. Is it that worth to spend on personal housing? FC yes, personal? Really?

That's a bad idea in my opinion. Houses are a luxury, they shouldnt be available to everyone off the bat.
A better idea would be to actually look at a servers market and base house prices off that.

While I can't really disagree, I don't think luxury's the right word and certainly not a bad idea. Housing are in fact basic needs in real life besides food and clothes. Do you rather live under the bridge than trying to earn a shelter as your own? Just think that logically. You're trying to compare housing with having jewerly? Really?

[Jeykama]

Having house plots available after patch went live, only to have it being cleared out so fast for ppl who has crazy fast connection, that's not dedication.

Actually, even on Balmung, small houses took a little while to sell out. Fast connections had little to do with preloading the patch, logging in after the patch was live, and not being picky about location. I logged in ten minutes after and bought a small house no problem, though it's not one I would have picked first.

Housing are in fact basic needs in real life besides food and clothes.

BTW, we adventurers get inn housing for absolutely free thanks to the adventurer's guild. According to lore, we're itinerants anyway. A full house is a luxury.

Not that I agree this housing system works without a decay system as well, if the devs are going to pull the limited server capacity trump card.

[BobbinT]

Actually, even on Balmung, small houses took a little while to sell out. Fast connections had little to do with preloading the patch, logging in after the patch was live, and not being picky about location. I logged in ten minutes after and bought a small house no problem, though it's not one I would have picked first.

Then you are lucky fella. I have the money to buy, but sadly, small plots already ran out when I manage to log after patch. ^^;

[Laughlyn]

Bob & Inz, both my heroes! ^.^)b

[Laughlyn]

That's a bad idea in my opinion. Houses are a luxury, they shouldnt be available to everyone off the bat.
A better idea would be to actually look at a servers market and base house prices off that.

No it's not, if i have money & the game offered me a house with a garden (no matter what size) for rent.
Why is it a bad idea for me if i choose to rent that house?

Luxury to me isnt a stupid house, its a assest.
No, luxury for me is having good friends & having fun.

But when the fun is being taken out of the equation thanks to unhealty economy, something have to be done to even things out.
Items on markets on my server have very low value in terms of how much there really is to choose from.
Whatever NPC sells is far more worth the gil than go out & gather the mats your self. (This is so wrong & makes gathering classes useless)


And yet, the housing market is there to enhance gameplay with more fun & group orientated content,
now, many houses now looks abandoned & are wasting away.
(It's kinda easy to see wich FC dosent have a clean Chocobo stable for example)
Assest's that that should loose value due to inactivity, yet the housing value/price still stands unchanged.

- oh and please.... dont talk about my dedication to this game please.
For all you know i might have been the reason housing got light coming through the windows, or even getting us the Sleipnir mount.
And hey hey 2+ years ago i was one of the first on the 1.0 forums to actually suggest housing/furnitures & mail-system in the first place.
So spare me the "Not dedicated" enough talk, i harrassed SE long enough for them to actually put the things in the game for us all to enjoy.
And soon... "Fish-Tanks" & "personal room light-switch/fade option. ( Completly useless luxury...but it will look so badass XD )

My Dedication to Final Fantasy XIV! \( ^.^)/

Dont believe me? check this out.... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...pe-Suggestions
Good lord, i posted that thread almost 4years ago ; ; - Note the posting date of these threads.

Housing ideas & more stuff suggested over 3 years ago: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Suggestions-!
- as you can see, there's a few things they actually listened to & actually implemented.
Im not dedicated you say?

Bad ideas are nothing until Suggested & tested.

Im not asking for respect or asking anyone to be grateful for my suggestions, but if no one even bothers to suggest something,
nothing will happen, and trust me...i was very...VERY specific about my displeasure with 1.0, so i decided to offer ideas of how
to improve instead of completly bury the game in it current state back then.
They gave me most things i asked for, so...im gonna stick with it. housing or no housing.

Im very grateful in millions of ways how SE turned 1.0 into 2.0, and to see most my suggestions come to life...so awesome!
They sure done a wonderful work & i cant stop thinking up new fun ideas to add to the game, but i need time to play with the things too
- Thank you Dev & Community team.

- Noomy

[Inzoum]

You don't seem very dedicated if you played that long but don't have a house. While I can understand the perspective of a new player on an older server, the same does not hold true for someone that played since the start of the game. You have no reason to not have enough gil; other then lack of dedication.

Hale Storm's dedication in not in question. If you knew her like we do, you would think twice before saying things like that.

For the record, dedication isn't measured in how much gil you can stash in X amount of time. It's not because someone is a long-time player that this player's guaranteed to be rich. Not everyone spends their entire time obsessing over getting rich. There are plenty of players who aggressively obsess over making the most possible Gil, but don't actually enjoy the game more than they would any other MMORPG. Dedication is taking part in the community, providing building blocks for a better tomorrow with positive ideas and engagement. In that sense, Hale's more dedicated to Final Fantasy XIV than you or I, without a doubt.

She has a rare talent of spreading liveliness and originality in her wake. We value her opinions, as they are overflowing with the most sincere desire to see this game flourish and improve.

[Aeyis]

You see? That's the problem. There's some stupid mentality where people decided housing was a luxury when it really shouldn't be. That was NOT the point of housing, and the amount of features being added to housing in the first place is proof enough.

(That said, it might be true about PERSONAL housing. But that's something I was against, and wish they hadn't implemented. It completely killed the Free Company housing market.)

I'm sorry if you misunderstood, but yes I was referring to personal housing. Personal housing is nothing more then a luxury really.
Yes, it could be made available to everyone nearly right away; and at only a small cost at gil (if any at all).
But that would also no doubt decrease the amount of things we can change/do with the house.

You mention features tho. What feature of housing is not a luxury? I've yet to use any housing only feature. (altho my FC does have a house)

Hale Storm's dedication in not in question. If you knew her like we do, you would think twice before saying things like that.

For the record, dedication isn't measured in how much gil you can stash in X amount of time. It's not because someone is a long-time player that this player's guaranteed to be rich. Not everyone spends their entire time obsessing over getting rich. There are plenty of players who aggressively obsess over making the most possible Gil, but don't actually enjoy the game more than they would any other MMORPG. Dedication is taking part in the community, providing building blocks for a better tomorrow with positive ideas and engagement. In that sense, Hale's more dedicated to Final Fantasy XIV than you or I, without a doubt.

She has a rare talent of spreading liveliness and originality in her wake. We value her opinions, as they are overflowing with the most sincere desire to see this game flourish and improve.

I can only measure a persons dedication based on what they themselves write. You say a lot about the OP, but you seemed to have missunderstand that the ''dedication'' that was referred to was dedication towards getting a house, not towards anything else.


I have almost 15m gil right now, after having played for only 2 months from 0-50. (I did not keep anything from 1.0)
Why, because I care about gil? No. Because I thought to myself: ''I really want to get a house, so I will use any gil I get that I dont need for my normal expenses to save up so that in a few months I can buy that house''
^Regardless of the time taken in doing this (it could take a player 6 months, maybe even a year); simply having that goal is the kind of dedication I was referring to.

Anyone that really would a house would do no less, I think.



But I digress. Your reply to this topic is a tad bit late. Namely, after the server prices were posted which does effect things quite a bit.

So... game should not be fun, is that what you're trying to say?

I'm sorry, but did you even read what I replied that to? OP seemed to have misread what I posted; thinking I posted the exact opposite of what I did.

Dedication? really? Do you even understand the meaning of it?
FYI, I know some expert crafter who makes great deal of gil, only to burn them so fast for overmelding stuff just to make it more beneficial for advance content he/she's doing. That's dedication.

I'm been doing both that and saving up for a house. At the same time. Both from scratch. While I will not claim to have more dedication then the person you are referring to, I would certain claim to know something about the meaning of dedication.

Having house plots available after patch went live, only to have it being cleared out so fast for ppl who has crazy fast connection, that's not dedication. Also, not all ppl have the luxury of having a really... really fast internet connection, so fast that when the patch live, you can just go so fast to buy the plots which ran out very quickly in minutes.

A valid argument. However the OP was all about prices being to high, not there not being enough plots. Sorry if I misunderstood the thread title or the OP itself, but it clearly states that the thread is about prices being to high.

And please check the fact on the server before you blabbing your mouth. Masamune only has large housing left to purchase. Is it that worth to spend on personal housing? FC yes, personal? Really?

Depends, how much is large housing on your server? If you really want a house more then anything, personally I would say it was worth it. I believe someone in another thread mentioned trying to make a deal with someone to sell their (small or medium then) house. I'm not sure how doable that is tho, but it is a possiblity.
I'm aware that some people on larger population servers tend to consider theirs more important then others, but I will take that advice.

While I can't really disagree, I don't think luxury's the right word and certainly not a bad idea. Housing are in fact basic needs in real life besides food and clothes. Do you rather live under the bridge than trying to earn a shelter as your own? Just think that logically. You're trying to compare housing with having jewerly? Really?

ARR is not real life. You will not die or lose your inventory if you don't have a house to stay in. It provides nothing you need to actually play the game or do anything notable in it. That clearly makes it a luxury. Inside of a game like ARR housing is quite comparable to having jewelry (glamour). It would be different if lets say your retainers could only be accessed from inside of a house, or your mailbox etc.