So I was kicked from Halatali today

[KittytheSheGeek]

Technically you could report them. You aren't supposed to kick people just because you think they suck.

[Lyzern]

This position is strangely common on the forums, and I'm still waiting for (but not expecting) a reasonable answer to the logical, oft-repeated follow-up question:

While you are not needing to heal or revive anyone, what exactly are you doing?

Hint: the following answers are invalid...

- Hoarding my MP as if it were gold.

- Keeping my GCD free so that I cannot somehow be surprised by the next highly-predictable damage spike.

- Checking my Facebook or other social media.

- Dozing while on auto-follow.

- Jumping around like a fool, almost purposedly mocking the hard-working DDs and Tanks. (I've actually seen healers do this, it's pathetic...)

[ChameleonMS]

This position is strangely common on the forums, and I'm still waiting for (but not expecting) a reasonable answer to the logical, oft-repeated follow-up question:

While you are not needing to heal or revive anyone, what exactly are you doing?

Hint: the following answers are invalid...

- Hoarding my MP as if it were gold.

- Keeping my GCD free so that I cannot somehow be surprised by the next highly-predictable damage spike.

- Checking my Facebook or other social media.

- Dozing while on auto-follow.

Spamming terrible macros in to the chat.
The answer you seek, that would be applicable to the game, does exist. Studying the game play technique of the other classes. Not that very many people would actually be doing this.

[Noahlimits]

Technically you could report them. You aren't supposed to kick people just because you think they suck.

Actually, you're wrong. From a GM's mouth that I found someone post in another thread:



This would be considered a argument over how their playstyles differ. They want the healer to dps, he doesn't want to.

Also:



Note: Neither of these GM reports were made by me, just found these pictures in other threads and google.

[Skyhunter]

- Jumping around like a fool, almost purposedly mocking the hard-working DDs and Tanks. (I've actually seen healers do this, it's pathetic...)

I have never ever seen anything that would constitute as a hard working DPS. I have seen DPS do their job nicely, but there is a reason that DPS is so widely chosen by so many players as their main class. If any of the classes is easy mode, it most definitely is DPS. That being said I have never just jumped around pointlessly. I HAVE failed to keep someone alive though due to being on CS while they took an AoE to the face and went from full health to under 100HP in one attack (It would floor you the number of players who think they can eat a 12-inch Cointounter Club sandwhich because they assume I, as the healer, totally have their back). :P

I do however kinda like that Noah's post also means I can try and vote-kick someone who gets arrogant if I don't do what they have somehow decided is enough. That being said I wouldn't do that simply because it's rude. If anything can be gathered from this thread it's that we all play differently, and throwing a hissy fit because the tank is making it too hard or because someone doesn't want to play the game as he would the Superbowl just seems like a time waste. There is really no point whatsoever to getting bent over these sorts of things.

At any point, in seeing that really it comes down to what the players want to do (myself included), I'd honestly just rather be kicked then deal with trying to live up to someone's odd standards. This isn't me saying I won't DPS, mind, but the fact remains that I can get kicked, re-que and finish another dungeon in the time it will take them to get a new healer. There's no need to turn a game that I play for fun and relaxation half of the time and for sport and intensity the other half, into a full-time job where everything feels like work. If I'm going to do that, I'd go back to my ACTUAL workspace and get paid.

To answer Cynfael directly, though, sometimes I AM regenerating my mana (I don't hoard mana I already have though). Other than that, I'm probably waiting for an impending situation where I think someone is about to screw up... and more often than not, I have been right to do so. :P

[Cynfael]

If they screw up so terribly that they can't live for the 0.5-5 seconds it takes you to toggle off CS, then nothing short of you babysitting them 100% was going to save them (if it was even possible) and they should stay on the ground if it happens more than once.

In the case of attacks like those from the Coincounter, they are meant to severely punish players who can't read easy cues.

Healing stupid is not your responsibility. Any party members who are THIS bad without a good reason (e.g. are learning the fight) are a waste of your resources.

[Skyhunter]

I wanted to add a second post (not sure I had stated this already) to state that the main reason I started healing was because I was sick of partying with healers who wanted to be heroes and who wouldn't keep their team safe. Ironically it annoyed me that they bothered to DPS because they made so little difference in the pre-50 dungeons, and it ticked me off post-50 (aside from the use of Holy) because they didn't keep up with the damage the tank was accumulating. Not only that, but clearly there are people who like full-time healers as evidenced by commendations.

I will make it blunt what I am NOT going to do though. I am NOT going to DPS random adds as opposed to keeping the tank alive (a safe tank changes this) just to make DPS jobs even easier than they already are. I have never seen a BLM or a SMN use a heal spell to help when there is a sudden loss of control from the adds, so it seems a little childish to cause an uproar when the healer hasn't done enough damage.

As I have said countless times though, it's clear we all play differently and it's clear we can kick players for not playing how we want them to. I think if you want a specific play style though, you need to use the PF and stop assuming everybody that comes into the DF is going to have the same mentality behind their controller as you do. Every dungeon I have run so far can be breezed through with one eye closed and one hand behind my back as both a healer and a DPS even if all we do is our own very basic job (I haven't played as a tank yet), and to get bent because it isn't going even EASIER, and even more so for the DPS to be the ones getting bent? No, quite frankly, I don't got time for that.

I can't speak for everybody else here, but I know I would never kick someone for being gay or for being a girl or for not speaking english, I certainly wouldn't kick someone for not stepping outside of their role.

[Skyhunter]

Healing stupid is not your responsibility. Any party members who are THIS bad without a good reason (e.g. are learning the fight) are a waste of your resources.

Sometimes it's not so cut and dry though. I mean I have been the last player standing before because nobody would pay attention to 100-tonze swing or had my BLM eat Glower like it was candy. Sometimes I can't just let them take a dirt nap for being bad... I do need SOME people on the team at least, and in fights like that, letting them sleep around is not only going to prevent them from getting a chance to practice, but that really does slow down the progress.

Not to mention at the end of the fight, it won't be the DPS getting kicked for being bad, it'll be the healer for not raising them.

[Cynfael]

There's already a lot of back and forth in this topic, and I think we've all repeated ourselves quite a bit by now.

I'll just say that I think that you need different experiences, whether you finally get half-decent people in DF or you meet good players to practice with. The game you seem to end up playing with these godawful players bears no resemblance to that which you play with parties with good teamwork or at least a basic understanding of mechanics.

[Skyhunter]

That I can agree on haha.