So I was kicked from Halatali today

[Iagainsti]

Holy crap, this thread am I right?
Anyway, back to the pioint before you all whipped it out and started whizzing everywhere, OP queued for Halatali NM as a healer. Stone II has a potency of 170, aero a potency 0f 50/dot 40 I think.

x=(WD*.2714745 + INT*.1006032 + (DTR-202)*.0241327 + WD*INT*.0036167 + WD*(DTR-202)*.0010800 - 1) * (potency/100) take into fact time to swap CS/heal every 4-5GCD, swap back. AVG mob pack of 3(x)

This guy got kicked bc he didn't do 66dps. That's messed up no matter how you look at it. Get your heads checked elitists. I've 3 man Halatali no prob, and that's all his party prob did afterwards, sad times really. poor guy.

[Kidblinks]

If you ask me if I'm mad, the answer is yes. I don't think I should be kicked for healing as a heale.

Eh, depends on the situation. If you were just standing there doing nothing waiting for the tank's health to get low I wouldn't have had a problem voting yes on the kick. I wouldn't have initiated the kick or have complained though. I've been in parties with healers who would run around jumping waiting to heal someone. Just seems like laziness to me. And this is coming from someone who mains scholar. There's no reason for you not to be active at all times while playing a healer class. If you're actively having to heal that's one thing, but just standing there? Kick.

[ChameleonMS]

Eh, depends on the situation. ... If you're actively having to heal that's one thing, but just standing there? Kick.

The elitist jerk strikes again. Perpetuating the problem. Be the self import, jerk and kick, instead of being the better person and improving the situation.

[Cynfael]

The elitist jerk strikes again. Perpetuating the problem. Be the self import, jerk and kick, instead of being the better person and improving the situation.

Because name-calling coupled with accusations of elitism is the action of a better person who is attempting to improve this situation.

[Kidblinks]

The elitist jerk

*Shrugs* No lies detected. But seriously, it's just laziness to stand there doing nothing. Casting cure every five seconds while everyone else is constantly taking action is just silly. Am I wrong to want to be in a group with others who put the same amount of effort in that I do? /kick

[Skyhunter]

Hehe, no worries Kid, I'd be just as willing to vote-kick somebody taking the time to fit over efficiency in a sub-50 dungeon (assuming everybody was at least filling their role). In sub-50 dungeons, it's not even worth the time taken to type out a complaint as long as all roles are at least being fulfilled.

@Cynfael: I think your example is an excellent point in how situations vary per person. The healer in your group was definitely kick-worthy as he was not even fulfilling his most basic role. In my scenario, however, players wanted MORE than the basic role. SO while it might have been nice for me to DPS, I was not causing wipes by not doing so (as he would have been doing had new players been present). That being said, in my own case, the noob in the group is always going to be either the tank or the DPS, which only further justifies my focusing on healing rather than DPS'ing. A healer that won't heal properly means a kick. A tank that won't keep the adds off his team means either a kick or my excessive healing, which as you experienced in the case of your bad healer, can indeed be an issue in regards to bad tanks and DPS.

Either way, a player that is doing their job and who is not the cause of a wipe shouldn't take crap from people. There are very clear places where DPS from a healer is a required job (adds in the Firemane fight, Odin burn phase at the end), but mid-way between bosses in Halatali is not one of them. DPS in those areas is just icing on your cake, and anybody worth their salt doesn't NEED the icing, although it's nice when people provide it.

[Lyzern]

Hey guys, I started levelling my Archer again (wow, those poor DDs and their queues, I feel really sorry you guys have to go through this) and something funny happened yesterday! I got coupled with 2 healers who did absolutely nothing but cast Cure. One entire spell rotation, so I politely said and even added a smile "Hey X, could you help deal some damage? The run will be faster and you won't just be sitting there bored " And they did it!

They actually started helping with the damage and the run felt much smoother after they did. So guys, let's just ask politely instead of being asshole's like the guy that OP got matched with.

[ChameleonMS]

Because name-calling coupled with accusations of elitism is the action of a better person who is attempting to improve this situation.

Calling it like it is. As I have previously stated in this thread. Do something to improve the situation. Encourage and educate the less skilled / lazy player. Just kicking him serves no value. The kicked player does not learn. The kicking player continues to be part of the problem.

One entire spell rotation, so I politely said and even added a smile "Hey X, could you help deal some damage? The run will be faster and you won't just be sitting there bored " And they did it!
They actually started helping with the damage and the run felt much smoother after they did. So guys, let's just ask politely instead of being asshole's like the guy that OP got matched with.

This is exactly what I am talking about.

[Skyhunter]

Hey guys, I started levelling my Archer again (wow, those poor DDs and their queues, I feel really sorry you guys have to go through this) and something funny happened yesterday! I got coupled with 2 healers who did absolutely nothing but cast Cure. One entire spell rotation, so I politely said and even added a smile "Hey X, could you help deal some damage? The run will be faster and you won't just be sitting there bored " And they did it!

They actually started helping with the damage and the run felt much smoother after they did. So guys, let's just ask politely instead of being asshole's like the guy that OP got matched with.

Exactly. Why can't everybody respond like this?

[Cynfael]

@Cynfael: I think your example is an excellent point in how situations vary per person. The healer in your group was definitely kick-worthy as he was not even fulfilling his most basic role. In my scenario, however, players wanted MORE than the basic role. SO while it might have been nice for me to DPS, I was not causing wipes by not doing so (as he would have been doing had new players been present). That being said, in my own case, the noob in the group is always going to be either the tank or the DPS, which only further justifies my focusing on healing rather than DPS'ing. A healer that won't heal properly means a kick. A tank that won't keep the adds off his team means either a kick or my excessive healing, which as you experienced in the case of your bad healer, can indeed be an issue in regards to bad tanks and DPS.

Either way, a player that is doing their job and who is not the cause of a wipe shouldn't take crap from people. There are very clear places where DPS from a healer is a required job (adds in the Firemane fight, Odin burn phase at the end), but mid-way between bosses in Halatali is not one of them. DPS in those areas is just icing on your cake, and anybody worth their salt doesn't NEED the icing, although it's nice when people provide it.

I still think that it was out of line to kick you given what you shared about your situation. The majority of my comments about healers contributing to party DPS are aimed squarely at players who choose to be obstructive out of sheer laziness or because they believe that their role entitles them to doing less "work".

The main point where I think we differ is that I believe that healer DPS is compulsory rather than icing, at least where the player is capable and not otherwise unable to provide it due to strict healing requirements. Providing DPS to a party is part of your basic role even if it does admittedly take a backseat to your primary responsibility of healing.