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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
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    Yes i think the whole reason why blood for blood have the damage penalty is that you have 2 deal with mechanic when it is worth 2 use and when it is not worth use. Not matter how good dps you do but i think you are bad player if you wipe your group for sake doing more dps because you wanna see shiny numbers in your parse. I just watch your t13 video and even you are not casting fire between earth shakers or i have not seen anybody else do that. I think it is not even worth take that risk and make party wipe only cause of your selfish reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Yes i think the whole reason why blood for blood have the damage penalty is that you have 2 deal with mechanic when it is worth 2 use and when it is not worth use. Not matter how good dps you do but i think you are bad player if you wipe your group for sake doing more dps because you wanna see shiny numbers in your parse. I just watch your t13 video and even you are not casting fire between earth shakers or i have not seen anybody else do that. I think it is not even worth take that risk and make party wipe only cause of your selfish reasons.
    I have never wiped my raid a single time while pushing higher numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I just watch your t13 video and even you are not casting fire between earth shakers
    Have a go at doing it yourself first and then make comments about it xD

    BLM is very easy to begin with, has a easy rotation, but it's probably one of the harder classes to push good damage with for end game content. Though I think there is a fair bit of skill involved for any class to push decent damage.

    Bard is probably the easiest to play and do ok'ish damage on.
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    Last edited by scarebearz; 03-10-2015 at 10:43 AM.

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    What is the point of this? What are you trying to achieve or understand by gathering these opinions?

    Players will have opinions based on their experience with their own classes and others they have encountered, but that is all it will amount to, an opinion that is subject to their circumstance. Building any sort of consensus based on that is pointless because you don't have a common basis for comparison.

    I'd rather people just pick up and play the classes they like and learn how to play them well, instead of trying to one-up each other all the time. You have a wide variety to choose from with more on the way. If there was a set-in-stone answer as to a class that was the easiest to play or even "optimise DPS on in a raid scenario", everyone will be playing that class already and you wouldn't have to ask this question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Yes i think the whole reason why blood for blood have the damage penalty is that you have 2 deal with mechanic when it is worth 2 use and when it is not worth use. Not matter how good dps you do but i think you are bad player if you wipe your group for sake doing more dps because you wanna see shiny numbers in your parse. I just watch your t13 video and even you are not casting fire between earth shakers or i have not seen anybody else do that. I think it is not even worth take that risk and make party wipe only cause of your selfish reasons.
    What's wrong with fire + ES? Everytime I have swiftcast I cast fire during ES D:
    Utilize sprint and manawall well (u can weave your fire with manawall and u can sprint when waiting the gcd for fire I after using firestarter proc), no need to panic when ES comes
    There's always a way to dish out good DPS without wiping your party, also, DPS won't be that shiny if u die from ES
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I handle most of it but results are this, if I don't get a proc on the fire cast I do when I get marker and I don't have swiftcast, it's 5 seconds of scathe.
    How abaut if if you cast blizzard 3 between first and second eath shaker that is 140 potency more than scathe and then cast fire 3 between second and third earth shaker. If you change your element you should have only 1.5 sec cast time or something plus you will gain some mana back and do not need spam scathe that is huge dps loss?
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    I'd say scholar is the easiest to perform "averagely" (~200DPS/FCoB turn) on. Use shields/debuffs/aetherflow wisely, mash embrace on chosen targets, apply dots and {/doze}.

    For DPS classes specifically, SMN I guess. Still only talking about skill floors though, not ceilings.
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    Last edited by Nichrom; 03-10-2015 at 11:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vQsv View Post
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    Quell your tongue. It says very clearly in the title that I was looking for OPINIONs. These opinions help me understand the general consensus of classes without having to touch them. I'd rather you not comment at all if you're not going to follow the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich View Post
    People consistantly saying that BLM is easy probably do 350 dps on easy dungeons with full augmented poetics and a broken rotation. I call them the "thunder III blms".
    So BLMs that use thunder III have no concept of the class?
    Thunder III is staple to my rote as I've built my blm on spell speed and require the timing of T3 to maximize my Fire uptime.
    We're on the same server so feel free to find me if you need to see real T3 rote dmg in action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    So BLMs that use thunder III have no concept of the class?
    Thunder III is staple to my rote as I've built my blm on spell speed and require the timing of T3 to maximize my Fire uptime.
    We're on the same server so feel free to find me if you need to see real T3 rote dmg in action.
    Using T3 during mid roation, is probably a DPS loss, as I'd expect you to only be able to get off 4 F1 after?

    If using T3 on the pull, then there is a lot of debate on the "best opener".

    Regardless of the above, it's still very possible for a decent BLM to pull of nice damage, even if the rotation is not "optimal". The main thing for a BLM is not so much the roation used, but how you move/dodge.
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