hey SE, will you be increading the drop chance for zodiac dungeon items?

[bloodSp3c]

...in the next update? 2.5 part 2?

Cos at the moment its totally horrendous. I thought you would increase the drop chance with 2.51!




side note: why must you keep doing content like this? do you like to see your players suffer and come here and complain or something?

[Cynfael]

Zodiac wasn't nearly as bad as pre-nerf Atma, but I dearly wish that they would go back to achievement-based goals like the initial i80 relic had: complete your laundry list of dungeons and trials, even if it's a moderately long list and involves some crafting or trading, receive your item.

I think players would have responded more positively to a "light" system where you will have earned enough invisible currency to acquire each quest item after X number of runs of that dungeon.

[Callinon]

Zodiac wasn't nearly as bad as pre-nerf Atma, but I dearly wish that they would go back to achievement-based goals like the initial i80 relic had: complete your laundry list of dungeons and trials, even if it's a moderately long list and involves some crafting or trading, receive your item.

I think players would have responded more positively to a "light" system where you will have earned enough invisible currency to acquire each quest item after X number of runs of that dungeon.

I agree. The Animus step certainly took the longest (at least it did for me), but it was varied content and easily measurable progress. You could do stuff every day and make easily definable progress towards your Animus weapon. With the Zodiac step (and the Atma step for that matter) every dungeon in which you don't get a drop is just lost time, nothing more.

Now my drop rate for Zodiac items was pretty good (around 23%), but I've read enough to realize that this is far from the average drop rate.

At the very least if they want to have a system like this, then it needs to be done smarter. Each time the item doesn't drop it needs to increase the chances of getting a drop next time. Even then you're going to have people who have to run dungeons dozens if not hundreds of times to get the drops they need just because of how statistics and random numbers work. That kind of situation shouldn't be possible.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

I got my Zodiac weapon in 8 days of intense grinding nothing more. If you re really commited then you have it fast - nothing more to add. Doing 37 Hullsbreaker like i did is not cool but when it finally drops its over.

Getting a housing spot in an overcrowded server or the 5000 victories in Wolfs Den achievment is almost impossible but people dont complain at it. Even getting a solid FCOB group that doesnt disband or go nuts on stupid loot drama is ofteb MUCH harder .

If you cant get your zodiac then sorry but you re prolly doing it wrong or maybe you dont deserve it - RNG God only knows.

You re not asked to get it asap there s a lot of other things to do anyways .

[Callinon]

I got my Zodiac weapon in 8 days of intense grinding nothing more. If you re really commited then you have it fast - nothing more to add. Doing 37 Hullsbreaker like i did is not cool but when it finally drops its over.

Getting a housing spot in an overcrowded server or the 5000 victories in Wolfs Den achievment is almost impossible but people dont complain at it. Even getting a solid FCOB group that doesnt disband or go nuts on stupid loot drama is ofteb MUCH harder .

If you cant get your zodiac then sorry but you re prolly doing it wrong or maybe you dont deserve it - RNG God only knows.


You re not asked to get it asap there s a lot of other things to do anyways .

I'm sorry but no. All the dedication in the world won't change how random numbers work. In any reasonable statistical model there will always ALWAYS be people on the outsides who simply can't catch a break.

Also telling people that they don't deserve a Zodiac weapon because the dungeons won't drop items is petty, elitist, and wrong.

[Hustensaft]

Getting a housing spot in an overcrowded server or the 5000 victories in Wolfs Den achievment is almost impossible but people dont complain at it. Even getting a solid FCOB group that doesnt disband or go nuts on stupid loot drama is ofteb MUCH harder .

They are completely different things than a failed implementation of RNG-based content.

You know you won't be getting a house.
You do know that at some point in the future you will get the 5000 victories. It just takes a very long time.
Loot drama is a result of a poor loot system (can be directlyc compared to a poor RNG implementation). SE acknowledged that and changes it for Heavensward.

Each player that trys to go for these goals has to input an equal amount of effort. Zodiac Dungeon Drops on the other hand do not require similar input. If you have people that finish after 60 dungeons, while others are required to run one dungeon 60 times, then there is a massive flaw in that system.

[moudoka]

RNG-based content is utterly lazy, contempt for the players, and wholly pathetic. I'm fed up with the RNG relic shit. Original Atma was enough to nearly make me cancel my subscription, and now with Atma 2.0 with the Zodiac, I'm re-visiting the issue. Throw in the MASSIVE amount of SE-sponsored bots, yeah. Anger doesn't begin to describe what I feel, and frankly, I'm here to enjoy myself, not find total frustration with a bullshit system designed to let them get away with doing jack shit for the players.

[GuardianX]

0 for 101 in blayfox hard for relic drop. This random business is very stupid and unfair.

[Xenosan]

They keep incorporating an every-other Phase be RNG system.

Atma stones, alexandrite/melding, dungeon drops.

It is as intended.. They want this all to be the time sink and slow people down. Let's hope they start throwing us some bones

[Edellis]

RNG-based content is utterly lazy, contempt for the players, and wholly pathetic. I'm fed up with the RNG relic shit. Original Atma was enough to nearly make me cancel my subscription, and now with Atma 2.0 with the Zodiac, I'm re-visiting the issue. Throw in the MASSIVE amount of SE-sponsored bots, yeah. Anger doesn't begin to describe what I feel, and frankly, I'm here to enjoy myself, not find total frustration with a bullshit system designed to let them get away with doing jack shit for the players.

You...don't have to entertain the zodiac weapons. They were clearly designed for grind-oriented players. You have the sol weapons, EX primal weapons, Levi/Ramuh/Shiva weapons, Allagan, High-Allagan and Dreadwyrm weapons to acquire by achievement-based means. Zodiac has a very pretty glow, and sweet model, but seriously none of that has ever been enough to make me want to suffer the quest.

At any given time, there is a weapon equal/stronger than the zodiac weapon. You just have to stop caring about the Zodiacs. The content sharks cried and asked for it, and they got it. So just wait for a nerf or acquire the other 98% of the gear in the game that isn't behind the RNG Farm wall.

So, sorry to say, but you're doing it wrong. Zodiac weaponry isn't nearly as prestigious as Dreadwyrm or even Ironworks weaponry. It's just a glorified grindstick. Just let it go.