Huge Problem W/Loot Gluttony On JP Servers

[Callinon]

We're doing the dungeons too. We have every right to loot drops as the next person, regardless of gear level. Unless you're magically participating more than us, I'm going to need.

Call it being greedy if you want, but the system is working as intended. Who are you to say we don't have a right to need for the purpose of seals? Why is your gearing progression more important than my gearing (seals for relic) progression?

You're right. You have the right to roll Need on that level 30 robe and take it from the leveling character if you want to. But don't think for a second you're not being greedy.

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you're being a responsible member of the community by doing it.

Threads like these make me want to need everything, always.

It's nice to see such a mature response from the community here. I'm sure you're loads of fun to be around.

[Staris]

It takes literally 2-4 days to level from 1-50 (on a fresh toon) and gear to full i100, if you really tried, without getting a single drop of gear.
It is actually worth more to our society as seals/desynth mats because of this.

If drops are hindering/speeding up your leveling, your doing something very very wrong.

[Callinon]

It takes literally 2-4 days to level from 1-50 (on a fresh toon) and gear to full i100, if you really tried, without getting a single drop of gear.
It is actually worth more to our society as seals/desynth mats because of this.

If drops are hindering/speeding up your leveling, your doing something very very wrong.

I would challenge you to back that one up with evidence.

4 days, 1-50 on a fresh character, i100 at the end. Go.

Oh and you have to sleep, eat, and go to the bathroom in there.

[Atlaworks]

It takes literally 2-4 days to level from 1-50 (on a fresh toon) and gear to full i100, if you really tried, without getting a single drop of gear.
It is actually worth more to our society as seals/desynth mats because of this.

If drops are hindering/speeding up your leveling, your doing something very very wrong.

You're presuming a lot about a new player who doesn't know all the information about the game that you do. A new player likely won't know what "i100", "seals", or "desynth" even are.

Ruining a new player's levelling experience and their early impressions of the game to shorten your own grind by roughly 90 seconds really should have some effect on your conscience.

[Mirakumi]

Personally sometimes I feel like there should be a thing, like aion where in low level dungeons , high levels can't need on things.

Even vanity and such should be seen as a greed function.

It's fine if they need on it for high level dungeons but there should be a priority line set on lower levels.

I have gone to Tam -Tam and watched a healer roll over a new player on caster accessories because in chat they claimed - I need GC seals. yeah

They should really do something.

People pretty much trolling at this point.

[Mirakumi]

It takes literally 2-4 days to level from 1-50 (on a fresh toon) and gear to full i100, if you really tried, without getting a single drop of gear.
It is actually worth more to our society as seals/desynth mats because of this.

If drops are hindering/speeding up your leveling, your doing something very very wrong.

Not necessarily there are some classes that benefit from leveling in dungeons more than etc. Also people are dicks in this game, you can't deny that. I've seen people who examine other people's gear and leave or kick them because they didn't have the potential. It's hard when higher levels come in and take that gear so your left in greys, as a tank, or healer.

Edit:
Feel like someone is going to argue that other classes cant roll against healers or tanks but as low levels healer gear can be rolled on by casters same with dps and tank gear. as "Job" system isn't a clear cut until 30s.

[BobbinT]

Sorry guys, but I think I share the sentiment with OP here.

This is not just the case with ability to need/greed anything. This is about cultural impact.

For making a bit comparison, I was originally came from US server, Sargatanas. When in dungeon runs, we do talk and ask how we as party would make deal with loots. There's also occasional dramas here and there, but I don't really mind those.

After my transition to JP server due to quite unreasonable lag spikes (which helps big time), I felt that JP players are more secluded. It's always we english speaker that needs to take initiative to converse with them and most of the time requiring to use japanese text. And the JP players on the other hand can choose to play ignorance and even kick us out without any explanation. And I have this experience many times..

I didn't say that all JP players like that, since I do meet nice ones. But most of them unfortunately did play ignorance card, hence the famous "JP ONRY" they tend to use in almost every party finders.

Another example are hunts. I've heard that most english speaker servers does manage their hunts as to minimize early pullers. But in my current server? 1st time 1st serve. They can early pulls all they want without any care. I've seen several cases where the early group that find the hunt mobs ask players in area to wait for few minutes, but this unfortunately was ignored and someone just early pulls them.

Sometimes I do wish to go back to the old english server and rather deal with dramas there than being in m current server, dealing with ignorance many times. And you can't even fool these JP players with google translate, they could recognize and ignore you too. And btw, auto-translation are a big no to them. Using them equals gaijin. ^^;

[Zaft]

For every item you don't roll need on, I'm going to roll need on two.

[Iagainsti]

For every item you don't roll need on, I'm going to roll need on two.

^^ Seals, Desynth, why do you think we are running the instance in the first place? If I can need in any content outside of ex Primals and Coil, I will, thank you. That aetherial coral necklace? give me that, ill desynth it, craft you a hq version and meld it for kicks, thanks for the battecraft DM II. That's how our FC does it, if I'm in a pug, tough titty, you don't care what I require, and I don't care what you require either.

[Nyalia]

Someone's "need" for gear is subjective. You are saying that the tiny upgrade that gear gives you (gear that will be replaced in a couple hours when you level up) is more important than the other person's need for GC seals or desynth experience/desynth loot. Battlecraft Demimateria Is are like, 10k on my server, whereas a level 15 HQ gear item with the same stats as a piece of aetherial dungeon gear only costs 3-4k.

Personally, when running endgame dungeons, I'm torn. If something is a clear upgrade for a party member, I generally pass. If it's something I can Need on and it's a desynth class that I have at 100+, I will often Need. Same with Antique items which are effectively always my desynth class (since I can choose). That may be selfish of me, but an i90-i100 item can yield 2x Battlecraft Demimateria IIIs in addition to getting me a fair chunk of desynth exp. Those are 150k on my server, for up to 300k from a single dungeon drop. That's a fair bit of cash in my opinion, and my need for that money is similar to your need for a sidegrade/minor upgrade. You can disagree, but so can I.

On top of that, there's also glamour. I've run ST specifically to get a piece of glamour for my current class that I once had but didn't anymore (I need to stop compulsively desynthing my glamour gear). I ran as that class and needed on the item, despite having an i120 item in that slot. Was that considerate to the other person in the party who was wearing an i90 item in that slot and also needed on it, but didn't win, but would have if I hadn't rolled? Maybe not, but again, what someone else needs an item for is not necessarily what you need it for, and it really isn't your place to say your need is greater than theirs.


SE claims to have a policy where the latest and newest dungeon drops are not desynthable (or turninable for seals) to prevent people from repeatedly needing on the same new items before other people have had a chance to get them. (SE quoted this policy when explaining why the new i70 Artisan's set is not desynthable even though that would make all sorts of sense.) However, with the 2.5 dungeons, all of the new dungeon sets (Bogatyr's, Picaroon's, Varlet's) are desynthable and turninable. So, I clearly don't understand their inconsistently-applied policy, but they do officially/theoretically have one in place to prevent this problem in the latest dungeons.