Primal Hate "RANT" No trolls please.

[PArcher]

Isn't spamming Cape Westwind still technically the fastest way to get light?

What everyone is saying, op, is you're the one choosing to burn yourself out. I went slowly with mine, doing some HM Primal spam, pony farming, dungeons, CT and coil. If I had a second relic, I'd do it that way again. Even though I raid, I didn't need the 135 right now (no, didn't have my dreadwyrm either. Got it yesterday...the day after I got my zeta)

If you're not raiding...why do you need the 135 asap anyway? (technically, even the Raiders don't need it since you had to clear t13 just to get a 135 before this patch...and many groups cleared weeks ago)

And I'm going here; you can get a mahatma done doing 3 FCoB turns and a gentle Primal fight. Of course, that assumes you're in a good static with FCoB on farm for it to be especially efficient...

[Aerowaffle]

Ok person A is trolling. Thanks guys. Forget I ever said anything. Jamein, to anwers your question "This isnt a COIL or RAID topic because having raiders join in this topic would derail it in to a "Relic vs Coil weapon." This isnt about that.

This is: exmaple "I have 1 hour to play everyday how do I earn the MOST lights in that TIME = I Fight Primals which pay the best light. I'd like: I have 1 hour to play everyday how day I earn the Most light = I can do gold Saucer + crafting + fates in high level areas + Maxxed out Beast Tribe quest = the same amount fighting primals for 1 hour gives out.

Good day everyone I'm going to lunch and we have trolls.... now so end topic.

People are not "trolling" you. They're telling you that you're the one that is making the effort tedious, so it's hardly SE's fault for that. Yes, you're using the most efficient method, but you're still only doing one thing. Doing one thing constantly will get boring.

If you're just going to call anyone who offers a solution (do the other, less efficient methods to farm light for a change of pace), or anyone that points out that you are causing your own problem, a troll, then you might as well not even ask for an opinion on the matter. Since the only answer you're looking for is, "Yes, SE should give us another way to farm this in addition to all the other ways they've given us".

[FranSeara]

Isn't spamming Cape Westwind still technically the fastest way to get light?


If you're not raiding...why do you need the 135 asap anyway? (technically, even the Raiders don't need it since you had to clear t13 just to get a 135 before this patch...and many groups cleared weeks ago)

And I'm going here; you can get a mahatma done doing 3 FCoB turns and a gentle Primal fight. Of course, that assumes you're in a good static with FCoB on farm for it to be especially efficient...

OOPppss, You dont know what I do. You broke the ONLY rule of this post, NO RAID TALK "If you're not raiding...why do you need the 135 asap anyway?" Rather or that anyone is Raiding has nothing to do with this. I said, "why not have more ways to earn lights other then the very limited ways we have now." end of story

[Lemuria]

Yeah... let's be honest none of them are particularly 'fast' though. I mean each primal gives you bright light, which is basically +8 to your total. Thats 500 garuda runs to the layperson for a Nexus, which is still a LOT of mindless grind. Or 60 runs for Zeta.

The absolute best you can get is 'newborn star' which is a tasty +32. That's still 63 runs at a minimum for Nexus or 15 for Zeta, and it's invariably on content which takes a lot longer to complete. And even then, it's usually only available during 'bonus' time which seems to be randomly assigned so it can't be relied on whatsoever.

I'm personally in agreement, there needs to be more enjoyable options available. Grinding light is about as fun as having your fingernails torn out with pliers and taking a shower in lemon juice. At the very least they could give us a simple progress bar instead of using milestones...

[PArcher]

Lol, almost everything you do earns light. You just want it now, with minimal effort. Like I said, in a farm static, you can get a mahatma done in 40 minutes (clearing 10-12 and a gentle primal) thanks to the queue times, getting one through garuda would take about the same amount of time...

[Lemuria]

Lol, almost everything you do earns light.

This statement is about as factually accurate as a fish is fluent in ancient Egyptian. Most content does not earn you light. The main content which does requires a party, such as dungeons, primals and the like. Fates, earn you the absolute minimum amount and can be relied on about as much as a three-wheeled Robin Reliant in an off-road rally.

This content includes:
- Fates
- Treasure maps (sadly not including the Thorne Dynasty maps for the recent quest)
- Dungeons
- Raids
- Trials

Small wonder most people join a small static and basically grind through endless primals. Most other content takes a lot longer to get the same result and the solo options are so slow that even a snail would lose its patience.

[FranSeara]

[QUOTE=Aerowaffle;2818724]People are not "trolling" you. They're telling you that you're the one that is making the effort tedious, so it's hardly SE's fault for that. Yes, you're using the most efficient method, but you're still only doing one thing. Doing one thing constantly will get boring.

Person "A" is a known troll. I know them from other posts. I never said it was ES anyone fault. I said, Why not have other ways to earn lights QUICKLY other then fighting primals which is the FASTEST way to farm light. "I mearly asked ES to consider in the future making quests less tedious and repetitive." IMO, it might save ES from losing long time players and keep them paying subs = Which is good for everyone.

[Ghishlain]

Person "A" is a know troll. I know them from other posts. I never said it was ES anyone fault. I said, Why not have other ways to earn lights QUICKLY other then fighting primals which is the FASTEST way to farm light. "I mearly asked ES to consider in the future making quests less tedious and repetitive." IMO, it might save ES from losing long time players and keep them paying subs = Which is good for everyone.

I'll just quote myself here

No matter what, the efficiency scale will always be:

Least Efficient, Least Repetitive |------------------------------------------------------| Most Efficient, Most Repetitive

The only thing S-E can truly do is attempt to make the gap between the two points smaller.

No matter how S-E designs, it, there will always be "the most efficient" route to take, which is also the most repetitive way to do it.

Say S-E made Dungeons the equivalent of "Newborn Star". Eventually, everyone will spam THE ONE dungeon that is most efficient to get lights. You saw this with two boss Brayflox HM when Animus was fresh and everyone needed Myth for the books. Eventually, you will make 3 more Zodiacs and have THE EXACT SAME COMPLAINT.

Likewise, if they made you able to finish a stone at the cost of 500 MGP, everyone will find the most efficient way to acquire MGP out of all the different routes you can do. Eventually, someone will ask "can we do something else please"

I'm sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too. This is the nature of the beast.

As it stands right now, there's a TON of content that can be done to acquire lights. Just none of them are as efficient as spamming Primals. If you want to get out of the repetition of primal killing, I'm sorry, but you will need to do something slower to get out of that cycle.

[FranSeara]

This content includes:
- Fates (can be a source of lights but you MUST farm them in areas with higher item levels to gain very small amounts of light ( not so bad) Very slow
- Treasure maps (sadly not including the Thorne Dynasty maps for the recent quest) (not a very good way to farm lights) slow
- Dungeons (are a very poor way to QUICLY farm lights they take too long but have good light pay out) DONT do them, they will eat up ALL your time. Very Very slow
- Raids (can take too long to Q for in DF. Have a HIGH failure rate in DF. Pay ok amounts of light) Only do if you have PF team. very slow
- Trials ( are very easy to complete, pay good lights and if you get lucky and can find (without cheating and using a site IMO) a good one are worth doing. Fast good pay "THE BEST"

Thanks Lemuria

[UltimateAoe2]

I completed my 3 zodiacs with dungeons.

I dunno what you're talking about.