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  1. #41
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    Starlord's Avatar
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    Luna Sushima
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    Siren
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    Samurai Lv 91
    You can't really win trade with 3 people for a couple reasons:

    - After the first win against an opponent the points decrease.
    - Win trade will require 1 person to lose for someone, and since you are trading wins, someone will have 8 wins while the other will only have 7 wins. ( Win-trading in the Gold Saucer (*unless there is something I am not getting* shouldn't be beneficial for either person)

    If there is something I am not getting please feel free to let me know.
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  2. #42
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    Rytank's Avatar
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    Ryan Musser
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    Leviathan
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    Paladin Lv 60
    ok read a few pages on this thread but not sure if this was suggested but like a roulette format in the form of a bracket would be cool. I say make a 16 slot bracket>8>4>2>1 so it would be 5 tiers of randomly selected opponents each tier being a rank range. So example: I go to tourney board at GS, I pick select an opponent(at which point a bracket tree comes up with randomly selected opponents of different ranks), I then choose the opponent I wish to face of a certain skill say 5th seed on 16, select challenge then have fun. I believe this would prevent players from doing only high rank challenges because if your just starting you will have to challenge similar ranked players to raise your own rank, but then you would also have to have a min and maximum amount of matches b4 your score is locked in, then winners should be determined by highest points accumulated vs win ratio. Hope that made sense, I'm also new to forum posting so be gentle on me plz..lol
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  3. #43
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    Utsu Aensland
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Matchmaking, unlimited matches, ELO, MMR, happiness, imo.
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  4. #44
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    Ein Vaer
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Don't think they cared about win trading in actual PvP, doubt they would care for a card game.
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  5. #45
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Don't think they cared about win trading in actual PvP, doubt they would care for a card game.
    It's a little different when the wintraders lock unique rewards away from other players (something which doesn't currently happen with pvp).

    There isn't anything you can get from pvp wintrading that you can't get by just pvping normally, and the wintraders don't interfere with the normal pvpers to do it.
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  6. #46
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    Doctor Pepper
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 70
    I have to laugh at the people in this thread saying it's working as intended or trying to justify how it's fair in any way to win trade for a tournament. Most tournaments outside of this game would disqualify you for such behavior. I seriously hope they patch this out and make you face random opponents who enter the tournaments. I don't see why they can't add a tournament option to DF that you can only enter while participating in a tournament.

    To me this is a game breaking exploit for TT that needs to be fixed asap and in my opinion if you're caught negotiating win trading you should lose whatever cards you won from the tournaments because you certainly didn't earn them.
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    Last edited by DoctorPepper; 03-05-2015 at 02:40 AM.

  7. #47
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    Noumo Tigriz
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    It's absolutly inconceivable that win trading, regardless if by agreement or payment, is a legal thing to do. How about a bit sportsmanship?
    I can assure SE that a giant storm of hate will arise if those players will be granted to do as they please and getting the goods from the tournament out of it.
    On Shiva it's the player "A. B." who payed for every single win and calls others grudger if they confront him with it. No, I'm not envious, I'm just angry that he's so full of himself and gets away with his doings without any consequences while others who played hard and fairly are left alone with empty hands.
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    Last edited by Noumo; 03-05-2015 at 04:39 AM.

  8. #48
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    Latarma Asura
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    i don't have the way to fix the TT turney but some of the ideas posted are good, random matches and the like. but as to deal with the win tradeign of this turney, where it happned or not I would stop the turney an reward the whole server with lighting card and then not host a turney till a better and more fair way was instuated.
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  9. #49
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    Yawn Alexander
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Taimara View Post
    My 2 cents:
    Make the tournaments against all NPCs in the world. Give the Lightning card to all participants and make the 1-3 ranks get a lot of MGP.

    Doubt S-E will do anything so I'm not going to bother.
    The winner already get 142,000 MGP in addition to the cards. I honestly doubt any player dishonest enough to win trade for the top spot will be kind enough to step aside and let others have her (and that pot) later. :/
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  10. #50
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    Avalen Koma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    That would not change a thing, as the exploit revolves around fighting 15 different people, not 1 person 15 times.
    Actually you only need 2-3 other people to hit 15 matches and even if not all of it then you can cost to a pretty high rank if you give the last few to NPC wins ending you off in the 1700+ range.

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    My suggestion was give everyone 15 tourney tokens a week.

    Set up a point bracket with different tiers of prizes based off where you rank for the week.

    Example: 1250 - 1500: Gold prize
    750 - 1250 : Silver prize
    0 - 750: Bronze prize


    Set all player and NPC to the same rates. Wins count for 100, Loss counts for 25, Draw 50.

    Make a roulette you que into using 1 token in the process. This sets you against another Player/NPC at random.

    Rules chosen at random, but allow a player to choose a deck after seeing the rules.

    Record the Win / Lose / Draw points of that match, disconnecting counts as a loss.

    Once all 15 tokens are used up, return back to the GS to have the NPC check the amount of points you have gathered and if all games are played. Reward player based off where they landed. Reset tokens / points at the end of the week. (assuming weekly tourneys)

    Done.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 03-05-2015 at 03:36 AM.

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