Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
Back at 75 Era for XI, I feel the real legitimate challenges of the game were the CoP story fights (because they were level capped) and the RDM Maat fight while still capped at 70. There were varying degrees of challenge but these would probably be the steepest of the bunch.

I don't count PW and AV as a "challenge" because I felt SE just added them just to troll the player base and tell 'em "hah, try and beat these invincible walls of death". I imagine there was some legitimate way to beat them but no one could figure it out and then the level cap raised and Perfect Defense was added, and welp, that's that.
PW was beat plenty of times before level cap, my linkshell being one of them, so was AV....you could argue the dark knight KC zerg method which was nerfed after was the only time but still it was beat, and im pretty sure it was even beat after that by Excellence Linkshell.