Low probabilities of Triple Triad drops, big fish, etc. Grinds becoming unreal.

[Aeyis]

5. I find it amusing you are calling out that other poster for being insulting when every post you have made in response to mine has had you insult me in one way or another, even if it was in a more passive way.

Oh? I thought I merely responded in kind. After all, I do believe you claimed that the card drop rate was quite high, in a rather condenscending way. Only to provide a rather poor example.

You mention every single post, when initially I only counter argumentated that contrary to your believe the droprate is quite random, and fairly low for the cards that are discussed about. (those needed to reach 60~)


The reason why I did made a rather cutting remark at you is because you seem to twist arguments in your favor.
For example:

If you look at my posts and actually read them I was never "arguing". I was saying that to me the drop rates do not seem that bad

I said "Seems" like that have not bad drop rates, never did I say they factually have not bad drop rates.

Triple Triad Card drop rate I can attest with fact is not that bad so idk what you are doing that you are not winning cards. In one day I went from starter deck (plus one dungeon card) to having 27 cards, all of which I won off of npcs (I also barely knew what I was doing since I hadn't played TT since FF8 in like 1999). Today I started at around 35 cards and went up to 46 or something. All won from npcs save one I got Ahriman from Dzemael dungeon. Yes, my RNG might have been a tad better than some people, but that is way too many wins of cards for it to be just all luck. Sometimes I even went to an npc and got a card first win.

Bolded for emphasis. Now I understand that you are overjoyed to have found a partner in crime in this thread, but please; if you try to counter my arguments by turning them around, please put more effort into it.

Since I had a large sample size from multiple npcs I was trying to share my experience, yes others might not get as many cards but you'll likely obtain some.

Your sample size was actually pretty small, as attested by others. For example your screenshot of the imperial shows a good many lost matches (which means less results). Compare that data of yours to: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ular-day-of-TT

I appreciate the info that Imperial has a higher drop rate than other npcs, but in essence you are just doing what you are claiming I am doing, "arguing without knowing the rates of the cards". Where is the proof Imperial has higher drop rate than other npcs?

Link above. I assumed that you read threads about TT frequently, seeing you presumed expertise on the matter?

I was talking to OP, and about OP's experience with TT, not anyone else. So other people not getting any cards is irrelevant.

We were discussing the drop rate of cards in general, how is it not relevant?

I find it amusing you are calling out that other poster for being insulting when every post you have made in response to mine has had you insult me in one way or another, even if it was in a more passive way.

Then please try to respond in a way that does not have me facepalm..with both hands.

[HeroSamson]

I swear, you people think this games grind is hard? Try PSO2 farming for 11/12* weapons and units, RO's atrocious drop rates... even the relic quest now isnt as bad as XI's.

"- Unable to catch Shonisaurus or Kuno the Killer (out of 4-5 30-45 min windows)."

I fkin lol'd.

Drop rate in FFXI was not bad at all, my thief had things dropping non stop even before the Treasure hunter was revamped.

That is what XI had over XIV a thief to boost drop rates.

Relics are easy in FFXI now and solo

Back in the days yes relics were a nightmare and LS's who done them actually disbanded after 1 was done.

[Miste]

Oh? I thought I merely responded in kind. After all, I do believe you claimed that the card drop rate was quite high, in a rather condenscending way. Only to provide a rather poor example.

You mention every single post, when initially I only counter argumentated that contrary to your believe the droprate is quite random, and fairly low for the cards that are discussed about. (those needed to reach 60~)

So you took my typed words, decided for yourself that they were condescending (they weren't, I was just sharing my experience with TT), then proceeded to openly insult me because of this perceived condescension.

Some advice...you shouldn't infer things from what people type and then insult them. What you perceived was not there, so then you are just insulting someone for no reason. I am actually the type of person that if you said you had a hard time beating a TT npc I would actually try to help you if I had a strategy I made for it.

Also all those edits you just made makes you seem even more rude. The attest with fact statement was correct because it was a response to OP that she apparently got no cards all day. So yes factually it is not that bad. Unless you were trying to get a 5 star card, you will get cards from npcs with that much time to try it.

[Alex_Lenderson]

Perhaps they should just let everyone press a button that gives them everything they want without having to do anything!

And then people will not sub. People NEED goals in an MMO. The base gameplay is too repetitive to keep people subscribing w/o them. By making some goals easy (hitting 50) and some goals difficult (ponies) you have a nice balance. It also makes sure certain things are rare - making it so not the entire player base can have something creates a sense of accomplishment that otherwise wouldn't exist. Because after all, it is just a bunch of pixels that don't mean really anything.

[Nadrojj]

I have to agree.

I gave up crafting a long time ago --- Spiritbonding for gathering materia (if I even get the right one) sucked big time. I'd rather have havens or whatever it was from 1.0 for crafting/gathering.

As far as other aspects of the game... Lights were horrible. So were books. I'd rather see synched EX primal fights to bring back that old Titan HM feeling when darklight was good gear.

No offense but I hope the game never goes in the direction you like. Books were easy, lights even easier. Gathering is good and crafting is one of the best in any MMO I've played.

[Havenchild]

I believe you mentioned research? Well, if you had done more research you would know that certain npcs are unaffected by regional rules.

I rest my case.

Only NPCs that have Random/ Chaos that are not affected by regional rules and are not incredibly easy to beat are... le gasp Swift & Rowena (who gets owned after the Triple Decker I achievment)??

Other then them? Absolutely none.

You may not be "struggling", if you say so, but you seem to be complaining about a drop system that's easily farmable as well. What NPC outside of Swift is so incredibly difficult to farm for these drops? Players have already documented countless strategies with 90%+ win ratios to destroying almost every single NPC. Even Swift, the hardest in the game at current, has a strategy against him.

Are all of these NPCs easy? Of course they are because the AI is so proficient at being baited and manipulated that it makes every fight that doesn't involve Chaos a steamroll, yes even Random is piss easy after your first Deck Upgrade.


In your own words :

Fighting these npcs is challenging, and rightfully so.

How good you are at TT or not, has nothing to do with this.

And some NPCs are simply too strong too farm.

Actually it kinda does. To say any NPC is difficult to put on farm, is the first indication that you are perhaps not as good as you assume so. Only Swift is truly difficult to defeat.

Even if say you are not the best of players, with strats already formed giving you 90%+ win ratios, how is this diffficult?

You seriously just sound like many who complain they have not gotten a 5 star card in hrs of playing. It's a 5 star card for said rarity.

It's like opening countless amounts of booster packs and not getting the Legendaries. Please stop expecting the best of the best to be handed to you so easily. The RNG and rare card drop rate is perfectly fine. Take a look at how many people have 60 cards already. Several people on my small time server have the Triple Decker II achievement. I can't imagine the situation on bigger servers.

As Kenji explained quite well already in another thread I believe: you will need to farm NPCs for their cards to reach 60. And some NPCs are simply too strong too farm.

You also do not need to farm every difficult NPC for these 60 cards. Your road to 60 does not need to be as weary as you seem to suggest. Easily completed trials/dungeons + booster packs already make up a heavy portion of the cards able to be obtained. In fact you can map a road to 60 cards and avoid even the remotely difficult NPCs.

without enter into a debat, i want to say they don't complain about the fact is hard.... but the fact it's tedious and boring. it's more a chore than a game, and on this they are right... personnally i had a feeling of accomplishement for the first step of the relic, when i did finally beat titan.... after this, no step of the relic did make me feel like this. they are cheap, easy and boring.... they are not fun, they are the worst example of grind the boring type that if you want to catch up will simply hold hostage all your other progression.
while the book period, i was unable to equip another character since all my mark was going into the book, while the light period i can't play other jobs and class. that fact, the relic force us to play to a different game. ff14 allows a lot of freedom in what you can do without character, but the relic is like playing another game where you have acces to only one jobs.

so far most of the grind we have in the game have become tedious, because SE want absolutly please hardcore gamer... screwing the other with stuff extremely long and uninteresting... by the way you want to know the best? it's pointless most of the content are simply destroy by the hardcore even with adding stuff at 1%....

i know that grind is part of the mmorpg, but recently we must admit the game have become grind land.... nothing extremely fun from it. do i feel that i have done something after reaching a goal? nope.... because is not hard, just repetitive.

It's not about catering to the hardcore. It's simply about increasing longevity to the game and adding value to items. If everyone can get things super fast, it cheapens the value of the item in itself on top of leaves nothing to be desired and people move on much quicker.

I agree with you on what the Relic turned out to be, involving a grind. But does no one remember how the original Pre Zenith Relic went? SEVERAL POSTS on these forums complained about the difficulty of Titan HM ALONE. Many wished this was never repeated again and many asked SE to not lock content that only the capable "hardcore" players can accomplish. Well this is the result of the feedback taken form. Everything is now repetitive ez mode boring grind so that no one can feel left out.

[silentwindfr]

No offense but I hope the game never goes in the direction you like. Books were easy, lights even easier. Gathering is good and crafting is one of the best in any MMO I've played.

without enter into a debat, i want to say they don't complain about the fact is hard.... but the fact it's tedious and boring. it's more a chore than a game, and on this they are right... personnally i had a feeling of accomplishement for the first step of the relic, when i did finally beat titan.... after this, no step of the relic did make me feel like this. they are cheap, easy and boring.... they are not fun, they are the worst example of grind the boring type that if you want to catch up will simply hold hostage all your other progression.
while the book period, i was unable to equip another character since all my mark was going into the book, while the light period i can't play other jobs and class. that fact, the relic force us to play to a different game. ff14 allows a lot of freedom in what you can do without character, but the relic is like playing another game where you have acces to only one jobs.

so far most of the grind we have in the game have become tedious, because SE want absolutly please hardcore gamer... screwing the other with stuff extremely long and uninteresting... by the way you want to know the best? it's pointless most of the content are simply destroy by the hardcore even with adding stuff at 1%....

i know that grind is part of the mmorpg, but recently we must admit the game have become grind land.... nothing extremely fun from it. do i feel that i have done something after reaching a goal? nope.... because is not hard, just repetitive.

[Tiggy]

Then please try to respond in a way that does not have me facepalm..with both hands.

Haven't really been a part of this discussion, but many of the points you pointed out that he said were very moot. You're more concerned with breaking his argument than the view point he is espousing. He experiences are just as real as yours and what he said has a quality of truth in it that you seem to want to ignore to build your own narrative.

[Taban]

This is after having gotten these cards already also. This kind of luck is not possible I don't think? Seems like they have not bad drop rates.

This is me trying to get Gaius, which yes is a harder card to get, it is a 5 star card. OP is saying they could not get ANY cards though...
If you are going after a 5 star card then yes expect to spend a lot of time, I personally still do not have Gaius which is why right now I am here at Imperial trying to get it.

Just as an example of what some people are going through on that same npc

[Diana_Pepper]

The Gaius card is very elusive. Having at least played over a minimum of 900 games. (minimum due to not factoring in draws and losses, making the total even higher) :/

Over the past 2-3 days, I've aimed towards the Setzer top (which I now have ^^), and started to play against the Indolent Imperial at 17k MGP ending on 97k MGP. Even though my Win/Draw/Loss ratio is about 7/2/1 (I think), I still haven't obtained it.

A few people have posted their screenies of cards attempting Gaius on Reddit (maybe on the official forums too) but nevertheless, here's my collection:


Realistically, at this point, grinding 2000 wins against him would be more of a probability to obtain Gaius lols. I'm new to TT so I love the game and I can play it day and night without being bored, but once I stop enjoying it I guess I won't get that card...

The only positive thing I will say however is the fact that no matter how bad the RNG is, I can (theoretically) continue until I obtain it. Unlike Final Coil where I've cleared T10 since the 2nd week 'til present day with no signs of my DRG gloves, is disheartening because of weekly lockout.

In comparison, Final Coil is so much worse...