FFXIV 1.0 original story BEFORE Yoshi-P took over

[XiaoBao]

Thanks guys for the replies!!!!!!

I will go dig up some more here in the forum!

[StarDrake]

If you're talking about the storyline that was implemented into 1.0, yeah, there's plenty of sources for summary. Look them up on GamerEscape or Youtube.

As for what seemed originally planned for 1.0... it's hard to say, because the game was so badly rushed that a lot of the cutscenes teased in early trailers never even made it into the product that launched (e.g. that whole thing with Titan and and the Sanguine Sirens, or Ifrit's original summoning animation, which had him bursting out of the sun far more violently).

The general direction of the original launch content did seem to be moving in a somewhat similar direction to what we got as 2.0's launch story - the Circle of Knowing comes to Eorzea to investigate stuff, Louisoix wasn't revealed but he was a background character and seems like he would've been more like Alphinaud is now, and the story seems like it was going to build toward a climax somewhat like 2.0's, with us rallying the city-states together and taking down the XIV Legion after they try exploiting the power of the Primals for themselves with some help from the Ascians (though in that case, it likely would've been the power of Titan+Ifrit+Leviathan, with maybe Garuda and Ramuh in the mix; Garuda and Ramuh were only alluded to, and both Moggle Mog and Shiva didn't even exist in 1.0) and dealing with Ascians in general, although it seems it was going to be a slower build-up to the reveal of the higher-ups. It was then going to evidently segue into something like Heavensward, but probably not in the form we're now getting it.

Given everything else, however, it seems like Dalamud being Bahamut's prison was always planned; it seems, though, that the original idea was for Dalamud to be the larger focus of an entire "Allagan expansion", wherein it'd be a bit like Luclin in Everquest and us visiting the moon way down the line in the game's lifecycle. The Allagans definitely existed in the original 1.0, if nothing else, and their general concept of "extremely advanced Magitek society that grew decadent and brought about an entire Umbral Calamity through their own societal over-reach" seems to have been established even then.

So: what 1.0 was originally going to be was, from what little information we have, not too wildly different from what launch 2.0's story became, though it was going to be slower-paced. It might be for the best that it got blown up, really, because putting a lot of stuff on the table now as opposed to drip-feeding it over a few content cycles ultimately opens up more story options for the actual expansions - lord knows that all the reveals about Dalamud, Bahamut and dragonkind's history with Man are likely going to influence the events of Heavensward heavily, whereas the original plan was apparently to reverse that order of operations (e.g., we confront Dravania first, their anger is ~mysterious~, and then comes the big reveal about Bahamut being incarcerated), which in a lot of ways doesn't seem like it'd be as interesting or as resolvable a conflict.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Also, thank you for the credit, but really, what I know is really the work of the real Loremasters here like Anonymoose, Myranda, Noloetazier, Catapult and others who did all this hard lore searching originally back when 1.0 was still running - I merely repeat their information.

So I guess if you learned the lore thanks to Moose-Sensei, I guess that'd make you a Senpai eh Enkido? lol. You and Moose-sensei's post are what convinced me to get into the lore.

[NoloeTazier]

An interesting bit about what the original 1.0 storyline could have looked like was brought up here in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sion-1.0/page2

To sum things up as the thread went on. In the cutscene (Echo after we see Ascilia a.k.a. young Minfilia) there's a hooded left-handed figure that stabs Niellefresne in the back, with a blade that resembles another blade that was sold during the beginning of the Ul'dah arrival cutscene (this is me piecing some of this together, the view of the merchant selling the blade being a deliberate early hint). Moose and I had probably rewatched these cutscenes a thousand times as we went back for Lore and tried piecing things together, I was more of an Ul'dah guy, Moose Limsa, Catapult was Gridania...Moose was actually able to find a split second part of the cutscene where a blade clips through robe. A blade VERY similar to Thancred's, a blade worn on the left side of both Thancred and the assassin. Of course this was a common dagger, but it's a nice theory to roll on and probably the only real one we had/have. So really only a few things match up to Thancred: a midland Hyur, similar blade dagger, similar dagger worn on the same left side, and he was aware of what Nielle was attempting to do.

Now what would any of this have meant? Well it could have meant that Tanaka's storyline would have shared a similar concept with Yoshi P's 2.0 storyline and that is Thancred being a "traitor." We'll never know sadly lol the assassin could have EASILY been someone else but I had been looking back on the old thread and been waiting on an opportunity to bring it back up. Just an old Ul'dahn still waiting on answers

[Kaiser-Ace]

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I was in Ul'dah as well during 1.0 and had managed to finish Ul'dah's story before the end of 1.0. To me it almost looked like Travanche. Ya know that Thaumaturge that turned our to be a Garlemauld spy. He was real cozy with the then syndicate before he was revealed to be a spy and after he ran off he was never seen again to my knowledge. But that robed guy looked alot more elezin like and that dagger he was holding looked like the same one Neile gave the Thaumaturge guild to bring Ascila's father back from the grave. F'lahamine in 2.0 even said "If only he was actually dead rather than this cruel fate" Seems to me like Neile was put into an eternal sleep. (Or maybe had his soul stolen via the botched Necromancy ritual)

[Tattered]

Somewhere, there must exist a document planning the plot stages of 1.0, how they wanted it to resolve, and ideas for the future. The only hints we have been given about that plot are pieces that they can't do anymore, such as Dalamud being more of a planet we travel to and explore, since it turned into an exploded prison for our very angry Dragon Overlord, Bahamut. I would imagine that we won't get much more detail about what was planned until those ideas are actually used in 2.0/3.0/onward, or until that particular 1.0 plotline can no longer be done such as Dalamud's original incarnation.

Basically, the original 1.0 plotline? Please look forward to it, little itty bitty bit at a time. Hopefully in 10 years, we won't still be asking about that skeletal Ascian from 1.0, and Moose will get to be editor of his own expansion - 'Final Fantasy XIV 6.0 - Rusty Steel's Revenge'.

[NoloeTazier]

I was in Ul'dah as well during 1.0 and had managed to finish Ul'dah's story before the end of 1.0. To me it almost looked like Travanche. Ya know that Thaumaturge that turned our to be a Garlemauld spy. He was real cozy with the then syndicate before he was revealed to be a spy and after he ran off he was never seen again to my knowledge. But that robed guy looked alot more elezin like and that dagger he was holding looked like the same one Neile gave the Thaumaturge guild to bring Ascila's father back from the grave. F'lahamine in 2.0 even said "If only he was actually dead rather than this cruel fate" Seems to me like Neile was put into an eternal sleep. (Or maybe had his soul stolen via the botched Necromancy ritual)

Travanchet was an Ascian/Ascian Assistant from the Limsa Lominsa story line. The robe guy is also a Midland Hyur, it's the only matching height and a cowl on an Elezen would have shown the ears. If you're talking about Corguevais, the quest before Nielle's "assassination" has the Corguevais flee with the Lalafell Miner Twins in hot pursuit. The next Echo shows the Lalafell Twins arriving back in Ul'dah and telling Ruruaji (think that was who it was) that they "took care of it," which if we take their word for it means they either had him arrested or flat out killed him. Corguevais was fleeing towards Camp Bluefog, the area he would have been going was a canyon. They could have easily knocked him, pushed him, thrown him off into the deep ravines. It's something that still is not clear this far into 2.0. As for the dagger, the Heartstrike dagger was a prized possession of Lord Lolorito. Nielle stole it from Lolorito's personal collection in order to use the famed dagger in a ritual to revive Warburton and learn what the "grave" danger was that threatened Ul'dah. Due to the magical nature of this dagger, when Nielle is stabbed in the back (not by the Heartstrike) and he drops the dagger...a small gem on the dagger falls out. It is then said that Nielle is stuck in a frozen death like state, that he cannot actually "die." Greinfarr learns of this and begins to work in the shadows to try and re-steal the Heartstrike dagger, but Lord Lolorito had it locked up tight and even had replicas made. Greinfarr still exists in the 2.0 world, he was in the BSM questline and is the last Gladiator you talk to in Halatali (HM). Whether he'll play a role in the future will remain to be seen. After all Nielle is still stuck in this frozen death like state.

With 2.0 we have since received a little info on what has been transpiring. F'lhaminn had "adopted" Ascilia (Minfilia) and it was her idea to change Ascilia's name..though it didn't change a lot lol. Nielle still exists and is in his frozen death like state. Greinfarr is still working behind the scenes. The Lalafell twins are still in Ul'dah and seem to just be taking care of their sister, who didn't get married after all.

But there's still a few questions that haven't been answered. Is Corguevais dead and what happened to him i.e. did the Lalafell Twins "take care" of him? Who stabbed Nielle and why? (I believe this will be answered soon before 3.0 since F'lhaminn is going back to Ul'dah). What happened to the Horn Corguevais stole and will it return? How much of a connection did/does it have to the Horn Travanchet stole? And many others.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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Yea, I got Corguevais' and Travanchet's names mixed up lol. But yea I always found Corguevais' fate to be very ambiguous. Lets say they did "Kill Him" by pushing him or beating him half to death and leaving him for the Chigos. That still doesn't mean he's actually dead. And even if it wasn't him that did the stabbing it was some one in a very similar black robe. Because of the fact that it was a generic black thaumaturge robe on a male NPC just seemed to me like Corguevais lived and "Ass Tagged" Neile with the dagger while he wasn't looking. But who was it really? I think Neal van Darnus crashing Dalamud into the planet made it kind of moot after that. It'd be cool if we found a way to wake Neil up considering the crypte by the thamaturge guild is all of a sudden named and I do believe it was in those cryptes that Neil was struck down to begin with.

Oh and assuming he was imprisoned for treason, who's to say he didn't have the same power as Travanchet to just disappear at will? Even if he doesn't the two could have been working together or heck Corguevais could have just used his magic to leave. Any way about it I was extremely doubtful that he actually died.

[Anonymoose]

I suppose if this thread's going to pick up steam, I might as well start popping in! On the subject of the Ul'dah story...

But who was it really?

This is a question that I've stopped looking into as closely as others simply because Yoshi-P hinted that Niellefresne's fate was one of the few that will make its way into the game. Though I've considered many theories, for me it always comes back to Warburton. The whole Ul'dah storyline was peppered with hints about a plot to raise the dead against the Empire. Then along comes Niellefresne with a plan to raise the dead for answers. Nielle ends up opening a coffin and is shocked to see its contents - what else could it be but empty (unless, second most likely scenario, it was the body of someone else that was supposedly still living)? Now, in ARR, Ul'dah again becomes the center of plots to raise the dead - not just the mentions of old Sil'dih but the final beast tribe quests, as well. As an NPC in the 1.0 storyline once said, the whole thing stinks of blood and coin.

The assassin's identity? Again, for me the first suspect is Warburton, but there are a few hints. The assassin was left-handed, had a Thancred-like dagger glitch through his cloak for a few frames, and his animations were classified as hyuran male (though animations aren't always a reliable thing to go on...). I theorized everything from a vague hired assassin like the one seen in ARR to Thancred himself in an early possession storyline, but it always came back to Warburton.. but, even if it was, will they keep it that way for ARR? Or will they retcon something that never happened before it's released? We'll have to find out!

who's to say he didn't have the same power as Travanchet

As far as we ever found, Travanchet was the only one with no shadow; little points to Corguevais being more than an Imperial spy dispatched from Ala Mhigo to keep tabs on Ul'dah (though, let's not rule anything out ). As far as I can tell, Corguevais was doing his boring, undercover thing until the parade incident, which brought him to peoples' attention and he had to get out before he was discovered. I think that, knowing Ascilia and Warburton were from Ala Mhigo, he figured out that Warburton was part of the same spy ring (though not that he was a double agent, evidently) and planned to flee with her back to their home - especially once he figured out what information Warburton was carrying (the primals were about to be summoned). I suspect it was little more complicated than him dropping his cover and booking it back to Garlean protection before Ifrit showed up and razed the city to the ground. Corguevais didn't even look like he knew what the horn was, just that it mucked up his spell and infuriated the goobbue. After all, Nielle was originally the one who acquired it... somehow.

Side-note, going back and watching those cutscenes, it's always funny to see Greinfarr wielding PHRENZY. As of ARR, that sword is part of a matching pair made for Leavold and Aldis by Gerolt. I wonder how they'd explain that one...

[Kaiser-Ace]

Side-note, going back and watching those cutscenes, it's always funny to see Greinfarr wielding PHRENZY. As of ARR, that sword is part of a matching pair made for Leavold and Aldis by Gerolt. I wonder how they'd explain that one...

Same way there are around 4 million "One of a Kind" relic armors. They're duplicates. Rowena for example has made a career out of reproducing old armors and weapons and selling them as "One of a kind" artifacts. So there's bound to be at least one or two fake phrenzys running around that some one else made.