The relic weapon quest is OBSCENELY boring...

[desufin]

Stop being an elitist.

The point is. Is not fun to farm 9 books doing old content. You want a weapon only good players can have it? Fine but put challange stuff instead of boring stuff. How About to clear some coil raid 3 times instead doing old dungeons with 20+ minutes queue?

There's nothing elitist about saying not everything is for everyone.If it's too much effort for you, move on to something else. RIGHT NOW relic isn't the best there is and once the new step comes out on tuesday people will complain about how it's too much of a grind yet again. Relic has already had several nerfs but sure I can agree that the content of the books could be revised because they are by far the worst step right now. But everything else? Fine as is, besides materia which are server/user dependent due to stat demands every step has been nerfed drastically and made easier.
First step? No one complains about DF hard mode primals anymore. Zenith? The mists cost pennies in soldiery which the game hands out like candy. Atma? Atmas drop really fast now, on average you can do all in a single evening instead of taking weeks to months. Animus books? The contents are still bad but the books are only 500 soldiery instead of 1500, and again the game hands it out like candy. Alexandrite for Novus? Drastically increased drop rate from FATE, halved cost from soldiery (400 from 800), Allied Seals? Gains were doubled last patch while alex price was left untouched (unlike say ventures which doubled in price). Light for Nexus? Light gains were DOUBLED.

People that still complain really do want instant gratification, with minor investment you can get full relic in about a month right now, that's way faster than it took most to even get animus before. The relic is there to take time and it always will, no amount of complaining or claiming "elitist!!" will change that.

I don't think most of the people here want instant gratification, but rather the progressive steps be toned down so its relative to where it stands. Something like Atma is a pointless step with how long it can potentially take, versus what it gives (a reskinned weapon with the stats of a ilvl90), made even worse when it was the exact same RNG/potential timesink when nexus was the end step at the time.

Atmas were already nerfed a ton. Yes it does suck that they do not give any actual boost to your relic upon gaining them but that was always true and people have complained about that since day one and it hasn't changed. And frankly because of how easy they are to get now I don't even mind it. The only step I could rightfully agree on that could use adjustment are the books. Halve the monster requried, update the dungeons so there at least are no more repeats. Maybe even cut down on the amount of books requires but in that case drastically increase the amount of soldiery needed for each one. But that's about it, it's a time sink and there for a reason.

[RiceisNice]

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A time sink can only mean so much when it's old content. Like I mentioned before, no one really minded that nexus took a whooping 2k light when it was the final step (and happened to be BiS in some circumstance) Atma sucks for the sole fact that its ultimately a pointless step that's there for the sake of filler. Honestly, the nerf was way overdue all things considered by the time nexus came out.

But that's the issue isn't it? Because even if the final relic stage puts it at the level of Dreadwyrm weapons, it probably still wouldn't be worth all the work involved to get them. And if they make them better than Dreadwyrm all hell will break lose since they'll become "mandatory" for progression.



That wouldn't solve anything, it would just turn relics into Ironworks/Dreadwyrm weapons.

Most people would agree that something like this would be indefinitely better than farming lvl 12 fates for a 1-10% drop. Heck, even giving an actual story to this quest instead of making it an overglorified fetching quest (or at least give some realistic lore behind the zodiac weapons...)

[desufin]

A time sink can only mean so much when it's old content. Like I mentioned before, no one really minded that nexus took a whooping 2k light when it was the final step (and happened to be BiS in some circumstance) Atma sucks for the sole fact that its ultimately a pointless step that's there for the sake of filler. Honestly, the nerf was way overdue all things considered by the time nexus came out.

So your excuse for wanting relic to be easier to catch up on is "it's old content". That's just silly. The nerfs the relic grind has already gotten have been drastically more severe than adding echo to ex primals and coil. And short of removing all the 1-shot mechanics of T6 and T7, they haven't drastically nerfed coil despite being "old content". And neither should they. People are literally acting entitled for not wanting to catch up for being late to the game "because it's old content". Not to mention an OPTIONAL part of the game. (Reminder that you don't need to clear all coils to unlock the next tier of the coil, just T5 for second coil and T9 for final.)

I get why people want the relic, but if you want the relic, you have to accept it's a long grind. No ifs, and or buts about it, you do it just like everyone else (with quite some lenient nerfs anyway) had to. "Old content" is just a lame excuse for "I want to have my relevant relic NOW". And again, I've done two relics now, one before any nerf and one after and I find it to be perfectly fine with exception of the animus books, but if books are nerfed, cost needs to go up again.

[Krr]

And again, I've done two relics now, one before any nerf and one after and I find it to be perfectly fine with exception of the animus books, but if books are nerfed, cost needs to go up again.

You uh, you realize that Animus books got more expensive in 2.4, and actually only reached equality with 2.3 Animus books when 2.5 inflated Sol again right? 1 myth = 0.33 of 1 sol according to the game's conversion rate, but books were only cut to 50% of original price. In fact, Animus books are pretty much the least-nerfed step in the Relic quest (and it kind of shows with how many players I've met that do Atma in a couple days fine fine, do a budget Novus in a week or two fine after, but deadwall on Animus for months, hah...)

[desufin]

You uh, you realize that Animus books got more expensive in 2.4, and actually only reached equality with 2.3 Animus books when 2.5 inflated Sol again right? 1 myth = 0.33 of 1 sol according to the game's conversion rate, but books were only cut to 50% of original price. In fact, Animus books are pretty much the least-nerfed step in the Relic quest (and it kind of shows with how many players I've met that do Atma in a couple days fine fine, do a budget Novus in a week or two fine after, but deadwall on Animus for months, hah...)

Wrong. Books used to cost 1500 mythology. When mythology was removed they were changed to 500 soldiery. At the time of the change the books were slightly harder to get currency for with soldiery than they were with mythology in the patch before it (but not by a lot, especially not if you still had people to get 100 soldiery bonus from in which case it was MUCH easier already). With the last patch everything gives soldiery like candy, CT, ST and WoD give 100 for each full clear, either of the expert dungeons give 100 and then you have the roulette bonuses. And price is still at 500. Soldiery is -really- easy to get right now and 500 is a drop in the ocean of what you can get in a single day with just a tiny bit of effort.

[Krr]

Wrong. Books used to cost 1500 mythology. When mythology was removed they were changed to 500 soldiery.

Right, let me correct that. Books were reduced by 1/3 and Myth converted to sol at a rate of 1/4. Soldiery was still incredibly scarce that patch and you had to go out of your way to get more of it instead of stacking it with other activities. A completely random and unreliable 'newbie bonus' did not compensate unless you were very lucky. You had to do five roulettes a day instead of one and some light hunting to keep up. The numbers speak for themselves; books got harder to buy in 2.4 because no matter which way you cut it, sol/hour did not come anywhere close to 1/3 the myth/hour you could get in 2.3. Hunts are mostly responsible for this, though.

2.5 saw the only 'real' nerf to the cost of an Animus book. But, they still take a minimum of 5-8 hours to complete each (not accounting for DPS queues in low level dungeons,) so honestly, a nerf to cost was a token gesture to begin with...though honestly, I'd rather farm 3x as much Sol then spend 8 hours doing old level synced shit I don't care about and sitting AFK outside of rare fates so I can get to the actually interesting part of the Relic quest.

[Felis]

You uh, you realize that Animus books got more expensive in 2.4, and actually only reached equality with 2.3 Animus books when 2.5 inflated Sol again right? 1 myth = 0.33 of 1 sol according to the game's conversion rate, but books were only cut to 50% of original price.

Ignore the convention rate, forget the convention rate.
All what is important was how fast someone can earn 500 soldiery during 2.4 versus 1500 myths during 2.3

[RiceisNice]

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If you see that as an excuse then I won't argue about it. I personally don't believe old content should be kept to the absolute devotees just for the sake of getting more people through it. Hell, from my viewpoint changing old content/relic doesn't affect me otherwise because i've already done it.

Animus books in 2.4 were more or less the same with the conversion rates, excluding first time bonuses (which were faster), and hunts (which were made slower).

[Deathscythe343]

So your excuse for wanting relic to be easier to catch up on is "it's old content". That's just silly. The nerfs the relic grind has already gotten have been drastically more severe than adding echo to ex primals and coil. And short of removing all the 1-shot mechanics of T6 and T7, they haven't drastically nerfed coil despite being "old content". And neither should they. People are literally acting entitled for not wanting to catch up for being late to the game "because it's old content". Not to mention an OPTIONAL part of the game. (Reminder that you don't need to clear all coils to unlock the next tier of the coil, just T5 for second coil and T9 for final.)

I get why people want the relic, but if you want the relic, you have to accept it's a long grind. No ifs, and or buts about it, you do it just like everyone else (with quite some lenient nerfs anyway) had to. "Old content" is just a lame excuse for "I want to have my relevant relic NOW". And again, I've done two relics now, one before any nerf and one after and I find it to be perfectly fine with exception of the animus books, but if books are nerfed, cost needs to go up again.

Even if everyone accepted this, it still would not explain why the reward does not equal the time investment.

[Elusana_Celah]

Even if everyone accepted this, it still would not explain why the reward does not equal the time investment.

Clearly the reward is the knowledge that you obtained something using obscene amounts of your time and successfully passed the patience checks SE put in place. Have pride in your accomplishment! Yay!