It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Kuwagami]

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a) has always been BS and will always be.
b) is why people can't make it in time, not why they can't make it at all (so that would be a nerf while relevant, which is stupid, thus exit)

c) was what was important when I created this thread.

To continue your book analogy, take the LotR for example. There are the original books, and then there were a lot of eased, dubbed down versions to allow anyone to actually read that monstruosity if they can't understand what Tolkien said.

Original Coil, eased Coil. Same story, different thing.

[Mercutial]

Absolutely LOVE the House of Leaves analogy. Couldn't be more spot on. Haha... you could have pointed out that maybe The Fifty Year Sword would better accommodate their lifestyle, as well.

[Evangela]

don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?

I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.

what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.

[stoxastic]

To continue your book analogy, take the LotR for example. There are the original books, and then there were a lot of eased, dubbed down versions to allow anyone to actually read that monstruosity if they can't understand what Tolkien said.

Original Coil, eased Coil. Same story, different thing.

But it IS eased. People are 30+ ilvls overgeared for T5, and have 20% echo. Is that still not good enough? Do we have to ease T5 into a 3 minute tank N spank to appease everyone?

[Evangela]

But it IS eased. People are 30+ ilvls overgeared for T5, and have 20% echo. Is that still not good enough? Do we have to ease T5 into a 3 minute tank N spank to appease everyone?

Isn't this thread asking to have two separated modes for it?

[SynMaris]

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I'd like to understand WHY can't they do it? What is stopping them? Skill?
Enlighten me please. Because if the content is there, everyone has access to it, they only have themselves to blame if they can't do it.

[Kuwagami]

But it IS eased. People are 30+ ilvls overgeared for T5, and have 20% echo. Is that still not good enough? Do we have to ease T5 into a 3 minute tank N spank to appease everyone?

not the point. Or is everyone afraid to admit that overgearing + echo + whatever won't help for instant kills like twister, elementals, meteors, etc...

would that really matter now (12 month after the original nerf) if twister was downed to the wind head's snort in WoD ? Hard hitting stuff.

Would it really matters if meteor stacking doesn't kill anymore, or if elemental stacking up to 2 doesn't kill anymore, when 3.0 lands ?
I don't think so.

Considering T10 and T11, there is no real need for nerfs anyway. Only really bothersome instant kill I've seen so far is the electric field in T10 (the one the boss and the sons leave during the charge). If you take any damage while you're in that zone, you're dead. That's the only thing that would be removed to nerf it imo. T11, maybe reduce the effect of not being super close to your linked partner I guess. Other than that, there is nothing echo cant bring you through.

On these considerations, you could say that FCoB is best designed for an eased "story" version with echo. There are so far no real party-wide instant kill moves. Instead, you have mechanics that will kill you if you fail too often BUT are survivable if you overgear it enough

Because if the content is there, everyone has access to it, they only have themselves to blame if they can't do it.

they would if this was a solo game. Flash news, it's not

What is stopping them from getting a Party? Or queueing up DF?

you're playing ignorant here.

Try T9 in DF. If you get past meteors you'll be lucky. really. T5, people seem to get past conflags now more reliably but still fail hard on dives or twisters (oh god twisters, time to drop mouse/controller).

PF is the same but you know who to avoid in future tries. Sadly, after lots of tries, not enough people remain most of the time.

[SynMaris]

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What is stopping them from getting a Party? Or queueing up DF?

[Moqi]

don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?

I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.

what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.

Well said. Way too many people place their videogame skills on a high pedestal like they mean anything. If they didn't measure their self worth on how well they raid, they'd realize a story mode would not affect them at all.

[Ophie-Mio]

don't you guys have a problem with Levi-Ramuh-Shiva in storyline too? it's pretty much the same thing. why can't they have Coil for story mode without any loot and have extreme mode for endgame raiders?

Those original fights aren't endgame. They were made for main story, which is why they are supposed to be so easy. It's not the same thing. Coil is an endgame raid. There's a difference between what those two things fundamentally are in an MMO.

I know, you people just want to look down on people and say something like "I don't understand why people don't just do it, the content is there, just do it". the answer is they can't do it, you already know the answer but still pretending to not understand. apparently people are a piece of shit if they can't beat some video games and have to be compared to mongoloids who can't read a book.

You're literally taking what was said and turning it up to 11. Which is what this thread has devolved into. Super casuals asking SE to make fights like T5 a single player tank n' spank.

what makes you think you're a better than anyone just because you're good at playing video games anyway? that's the reason why I don't want to find a static group, because they'll have an attitude like that.

1. No raider went into any Coil and one shotted it when it was current content. No one. They went in, they did their wipes and their time, and got better at it. You're literally assuming all raiders are good video game players, which isn't the case. Some people work harder at it than others to be acceptable in endgame. Not everyone is amazing. They still clear it though.

2. You have a horrible view of statics if you assume they will mock your game playing skills. I sometimes wonder if how you see statics is how the average super casual does? Everyone in a static must be monsters, must be amazing players, must be super rude and elitest. It's incredible because that's hardly the case. Most of the time, statics are either made up of 8 people who are friends, just cordial to each other, or eventual friends. Your view of the cruelty of statics is so wrong.