Stop FFXIV Gender Inequality!

[kyuven]

I think the percentage of people who actually want to put their hulking piece of roegadyn man-meat in a dress is sufficiently small that it's not worth the effort designing dresses for them on SE's side.
Remember if it's gender locked, it's not that they're actively pushing gender inequality, it's that they don't want to expend extra effort on something barely anyone of the target gender is going to want to use.
It's why they're a lot more willing to create female versions of the male outfits: A much larger percentage of female character players wear the Best Man's outfit than male character players would even WANT to wear the Bridesmaid's outfit.
Just because YOU want something, doesn't mean there's enough call for it to be designed as such.
There are plenty of skirts for men, though. So many that i've actually had friends complain, as casters, that their choices for armor aren't very "manly."

That said the potential gender locking on the Setzer outfit is...irksome. Same with the Snow outfit. Ladies want longcoats too, y'know.

[sarehptar]

The thing is, we all know SE is doesn't like to put in time to design two totally different models for male and females on the same set.

Except that they do it all the time to give male-type outfits to females. Sailor suit, best man gear, Setzer outfit... The "not wanting to design two models" argument literally boils down to "not wanting to design models for males."

I also don't think the other argument from a previous post that "too few males would use this gear to make it worth it" is valid either. Female Roes make up a very, very small percentage of the population, and yet Square "wasted" the resources to make them to make fans happy. If majority rule alone were used to decide every single thing in this game, we'd be missing a lot of things right now.

[Laerune]

For the record: I support males getting the same amount of options available to them for glamour purposes. The thing is, we all know SE is doesn't like to put in time to design two totally different models for male and females on the same set.

I understand what you mean, but I do wonder if SE doesnt like putting in time to design for two models, why make the Setzer armour uni-sex and add a female outfit aswell? Its odd and I know that you dont know anything, its just a question that has been stuck in my head for the past few hours.

What SE should have done is either release:
1: Setzer outfit for male only and Bunny outfit for female only.
2: Setzer outfit is uni-sex and Bunny outfit is uni-sex
3: Sezter outfit is uni-sex and both males and females have their own version of the bunny outfit.
4: Setzer outfit is uni-sex and no bunny outfit both males and females.

Instead they went for 2 outfits for the females and 1 outfit for the males, basicly swinging a middle finger to the players who play with a male character. One could say they are lazy, not enough budget etc, but why make a extra female outfit? Its obvious that there is some favourtism at play when it comes to creating outfits and for some reason the developers in charge of making the outfits/modeling favour the females. Afcourse one could say but bunny girls are always in casinos, but Setzer was a male, yet his outfit is uni-sex now (I supported the option for making Setzer outfit uni-sex) , bringing up FF lore or real life wont work here as a argument.

Males got screwed again and they will probaly get screwed in the future.

I think the percentage of people who actually want to put their hulking piece of roegadyn man-meat in a dress is sufficiently small that it's not worth the effort designing dresses for them on SE's side.
Remember if it's gender locked, it's not that they're actively pushing gender inequality, it's that they don't want to expend extra effort on something barely anyone of the target gender is going to want to use.
It's why they're a lot more willing to create female versions of the male outfits: A much larger percentage of female character players wear the Best Man's outfit than male character players would even WANT to wear the Bridesmaid's outfit.
Just because YOU want something, doesn't mean there's enough call for it to be designed as such.
There are plenty of skirts for men, though. So many that i've actually had friends complain, as casters, that their choices for armor aren't very "manly."

That said the potential gender locking on the Setzer outfit is...irksome. Same with the Snow outfit. Ladies want longcoats too, y'know.

You make a fine point, but what about the new outfits? They made the Setzer outfit for both genders and added a female exclusive outfit. They could have made a male version aswell, but instead decided to give females only a extra outfit. Do you think this is oke? I mean what if they decided to give only Lalafell new emotes, because it fits the race. Instead of giving the other races emotes that fit them, they decided to focus only on Lalafell, would this be oke?

[Zakka]

I don't mind if anyone want's their guy characters in dresses. It be nice if they had that level of customization for characters. However as someone stated above don't think their is enough people to rally behind it to get the developers to do that.

Now I totally think they should have a male version of the bunny suit. They already have speedos, take a chapter from Magic Mike - long dress pants, speedos, shorts with ties, bow ties and add bunny ears. Hehe.

[Riardon]

Or hire some people from BioWare. i'm pretty sure they know how to fix the "drag" inequality part and make everyone happy.

[kyuven]

Female Roes make up a very, very small percentage of the population, and yet Square "wasted" the resources to make them to make fans happy. If majority rule alone were used to decide every single thing in this game, we'd be missing a lot of things right now.

The presence of a choice of a gender of a race is different than the lack of a choice for an outfit for one gender.
To put it bluntly, there are more people that play female Roe or like the OPTION of playing as female Roe, than there are for being able to wear a wedding dress as a male.
The addition of female roe for 2.0 is also a bad example since the basic model already existed in 1.0: Her name's Merlwyb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXSHLPB1aM
It was actually the EXclusion of female roe (and male miqo'te, and female highlander) that caused more issues in the playerbase.

[Songi]

Except that they do it all the time to give male-type outfits to females. Sailor suit, best man gear, Setzer outfit... The "not wanting to design two models" argument literally boils down to "not wanting to design models for males."

I guess I didn't word it correctly. Okay let me spell it out for you. When something is unisex in this game it usually has the same exact appearance on both a male and female. Some things may get a minor modification from male to female like the Scylla robe for example, but it's not a totally different model at all. Until SE is willing to go the extra mile and create two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT models for male and females we're not going to see gender equality happen.

[Ophie-Mio]

Notice how all the people opposing have female characters,

Nah, the people opposing the "Males in drag" idea is limited purely to the backwards peeps. Or males wondering around in female characters.

Most actual women who play women characters could care less. We would actually WANT you to have a skirt if you want to wear it. You wanna just wear the bunny ears? Go for it. You wanna wear the whole thing? Go for it. I'm not gonna sit here and tell anyone it's weird to see blah blah blah just because it's not the society's idea of normal.

People who are opposed to men wearing whatever they want (even if it's the spring dress) need to go back to the dark ages where they belong.

And Zakka has the truth of it, there's not enough people to rally to your cause against the devs who are against the idea of drag because of their own cultural understanding of it.

[sarehptar]

The presence of a choice of a gender of a race is different than the lack of a choice for an outfit for one gender.
To put it bluntly, there are more people that play female Roe or like the OPTION of playing as female Roe, than there are for being able to wear a wedding dress as a male.
The addition of female roe for 2.0 is also a bad example since the basic model already existed in 1.0: Her name's Merlwyb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXSHLPB1aM
It was actually the EXclusion of female roe (and male miqo'te, and female highlander) that caused more issues in the playerbase.

Um, sorry but have you made a total count? Did you run through every zone on every server of Eorzea 24/7 making a player poll to determine the exact number of males who would want to wear the wedding dress item if they could? Or are you making assumptions based on your own personal opinions of the number of males who would want to wear dresses? Until you get some real numbers, you really can't "put anything bluntly" about this situation at all.

Merlwyb's presence in 1.0 does not negate the fact that Square had to then utilize plenty of resources to create the various character customization options, all the gear, etc. for female Roegadyn when they were finally made playable. Bottom line: they spent resources on creating models that are relatively rarely used. There is literally no difference between that and creating glamour gear models for males even though they might be rarely used so that people who are passionate about having that "OPTION" can take it.

When something is unisex in this game it usually has the same exact appearance on both a male and female. Some things may get a minor modification from male to female like the Scylla robe for example, but it's not a totally different model at all. Until SE is willing to go the extra mile and create two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT models for male and females we're not going to see gender equality happen.

The problem with this is that from a design standpoint, every piece of gear on a different race is a completely different model. They all have to be significantly adjusted to match the size, contours, etc. of the race they are being worn by. They are "completely different" models every single time. If they already have to alter and modify the model for every race, there is very little reason they cannot alter their appearance slightly to match the gender as well. And they have already done this with many existing sets of gear in the game (the models for the Evenstar gear, for example, are "completely different"). And this argument doesn't work for things like Spring Dress, which we've already seen (albeit hilariously) on a male model. Basic fact is they don't want to give female-looking gear to males. And that is, in short, not fair.

[FallenArisen0990]

I gotta be honest. I don't see anything changing. SE is gonna go with what has been working for them since 2.0.