Crazy Relic User FEARS the expansion. Are they going to be useless?

[Adrian74]

Hi dear people of the forum... There's one thing that, I can't keep avoid to still think and fear since the expansion was named, and is that I don't know if it is just a rumor, a realty, if the devs (I'd like to have a response of them) gave some info about it or not...

To the case, I'm a relic fanatic, why? Because I'm an all-arounder, but using uat-soldiery-coil-etc stuffs it's just... cheapy for me, I like to have progress with each of my classes, and since the gear is capped already every week, my unique progress with each class is their relic (And that way, I have been saving soldiery for the weekly armor pieces in 2.2-2.3 and poety in 2.4 and 2.5)

I like also the fact I can choose the bonus like that... My unique fear is... Will all my effort go to trash in the expansion?... I'm not someone with too much time but rather organization, being a relic maniac already makes you know how to farm for three relics at time... (Gain light in fates + take alex for next novus... Or gain light while farming zodiac dungeons... Make a book of an animus book that is also zodiac dungeon waiting for drop... That kind of stuff, you know)

If it'd be like that, this would be what I'd lose in my favorite gear progression of the game (Have to say, would have loved something not gear related, like a system of skills, similar to PvP one but with more options, customization, different skills...)

Zodiac // BLM
Nexus // NIN & LOLDRG
Novus // WHM
Animus // SCH & WAR & MNK & PLD
Atma // BRD & SMN

It is already painful, and I know unavoidable, when they nerf stuff... Four of the atmas were pre nerf... Can't even remember how many of the animus were prenerf also, as well as 2 nexus prenerf...But, the nerfs nevermind, that means I can finally make easier their weapons so they are at least better than the cheapy easy UAT weapons.

What really matters is the fact of.... How will the items handle with the level cap raise? will we have level 60 required for equip items? Will all our stuff, including relics, be useless? Or those are just rumors and it won't happen?



I'll really appreciate some info, especially from devs, or devs replies in other threads, so I'll rather stop focusing in my relics already and enjoy some PvP and crafting or something between raid and raid.

FEARING the possible incoming super skip of relic quest... Really, it's only thing I don't like of expansion, if it is a thing that is going to happen, of course, I want to believe it is not and those are just rumors.

PS: I'd appreciate if you avoid comments such as "Relic is not worth it for alts, it's lose of time, bla bla bla". What would I use soldiery and gil on then?...There's nothing we can do in FFXIV anymore aside of the damn gear progression, and for a true all-arounder, the unique gear progression you can upgrade without weekly caps is relic. (And personalizate it, that's important, for example, I made WHM's novus before SCH, just because my WHM needed urgently that 33 max piety in weapon, my tastes.)

[Deathscythe343]

The nature of MMOs is that gear gets replaced. It is only logical that any current gear that you have right now will be replaced sometime during the expansion. As far as relics go, they have made mention that they will not let people's time invested in them go to waste, however there is no other information or hints that could explain what this may be.

I would go into the expansion thinking that all your gear will be replaced with something else and be surprised if it isnt.

[Riardon]

A new stage of the relic is coming withing the next 2 patches before the expansion so I don't think it's gonna be replaced soon. It will be upgraded not replaced. That's the reason they changed its name and appearance so close to expansion release.

[Kaze3434]

A new stage of the relic is coming withing the next 2 patches before the expansion so I don't think it's gonna be replaced soon. It will be upgraded not replaced. That's the reason they changed its name and appearance so close to expansion release.

the next stage of the relic(zodiac) comes tuesday the 24th.

[Izsha]

Expansion will have a 'new' type of relic. Devs have stated zodiac line will end with 3.0. Just as coil will not continue, but l be replaced by alexander, so shall zodiac be replaced by (insert 3.0 relic equivalent).

If you like the relic system, there will simply be a new version of it to start over with. Although yoshi stated there will be some type of bonus or head start on the new relics for having a zodiac. So there's that.

[Nadrojj]

I bet we'll see our zodiac quest tree come to an end. Then, once expansion hits we'll take that finished weapon and start another one. They need to have a weapon that is somewhat on par with the latest raid weapon for the people who don't raid but want something comparable.

[LineageRazor]

I wouldn't be enormously worried about your relic. SE has made a point of keeping it current with its generation of weapons, and I expect they'll continue to do so. It's the only line of weapons in the game that can be considered "continuous" in this way, and they'll likely keep it around simply so that they can point out that they have one, whenever someone levels (rather justified) criticism that all equipment in the game is basically junk after a patch or two.

FFXI had not one, but THREE such weapon types (Relic, Mythic, Empyrean), and every time they lifted the bar on available weapons, they boosted RME to match, and usually exceed them. While Relics in this game have been deliberately designed to NOT be the ultimate weapons, I still expect that they will remain relevant. Even if the Relic questline eventually stops and a new questline takes its place, the Relic will likely segue into that one in some way (similar to how our Relic weapons became Zodiac weapons, but with the difference that newcomers to the weapon questline won't have to start from the very beginning, as we did).

[ereskigal]

Expansion will have a 'new' type of relic. Devs have stated zodiac line will end with 3.0. Just as coil will not continue, but l be replaced by alexander, so shall zodiac be replaced by (insert 3.0 relic equivalent).

If you like the relic system, there will simply be a new version of it to start over with. Although yoshi stated there will be some type of bonus or head start on the new relics for having a zodiac. So there's that.

Can you please show me where the dev said this? Also I think Riardon has it correct. The 2.0 relic ended in 2.4 and the new one/continuation started, ie the new look/name, it was stated in an interview with yoshi that the relic quest will continue in 3.1. SE stand to lose a lot more current player than new players it will turn off at the current relic quest, there is a reason why there are alway different weapon choice to pick from. Relic isn't for everyone. Anther thing to look at is the names of the weapons and their past history in the FF franchise will tell you these weapons aren't going to stay as lvl 50 weapons. I'm a 1.0 legacy player playing from January 2011 till now and I'll drop this game asap if I was to be told my weapons that I have been working on is just a galmore item now, I will more than leave this game I will not buy anther SE game again.

[Deathscythe343]

it was stated in an interview with yoshi that the relic quest will continue in 3.1.

This is correct. The vagueness of this comment is why there is so much speculation abound. Some have asserted that this means that the relic, in its current form will continue in 3.1 and will upgrade to a lvl 60 weapon. Then again, there are others whom say that the relic quest line will begin anew at this point. Where all players will get a fresh start on the expansion level weapon.

[Snugglebutt]

When I first started doing the relic quest I thought oh...cool, seems interesting. With every stage after the first though I get more and more bored with it to the point now that I struggle to care about finishing when think about how once done what I am on now which is near end of the books, will have to do alexandrites, spend potentially millions on melding materia's, spend a long time grinding light, more time grinding dungeons for loot that apparently has shockingly bad RNG then more phases after that too...all for a weapon which will never be the BiS. So I hope they explain soon how doing the relic chain will impact the ones coming after 3.0 as that may inspire me to finish but at this stage I lost most of my interest in it currently.

Lets not forget they are raising the lvl cap in the expansion so that's going to have a big impact on the relevance of current lvl 50 relics. What I need right now is inspiration to continue doing it rather than dropping it and just picking up another weapon instead, that inspiration I hope comes soon and comes in the form of more information about how the current chain will impact the future version. I am betting the upcoming phases from for example 2.51 will be another large grind-fest and I am beginning to wonder if would of been more worthwhile bothering with coils route at this stage rather than relic route. Essentially both are doing things I do not enjoy very much to get that carrot on the stick, it's not fun though at least the relic chain started off more fun for me than coils did.

I think coils take less time and effort now than relics chain does like forming a static and skipping most coils to get to unlock each set then doing just final one in each set, it may be more tricky to do specific coils but time wise and amount of effort required I think with the current amount of phases and more incoming that relic chain is pushing the pendulum too far. Will probably get elitists now saying the typical 'don't talk about it unless cleared T13 derpy derp derp', but I couldn't care less about such people since there is a difference between difficulty and time/effort. Difficulty and time/effort are not mutually exclusive and I am talking about time/effort being worse for relic chain not difficulty.

Put another way in my opinion if someone was to form a static for example right now with fairly decent (not perfect) players and people equally as skilled started the relic chain from scratch at this stage, both putting as much effort into each, the ones doing the coils I think would clear T13 (especially if they skip most of the coils like doing just T5/T9 then T13 etc) probably before the ones starting the relics get to current final stage. The coils being more difficult but taking less time to clear if both groups of people on either side of the fence were equally competent. Hence why I said I wonder if I should of skipped the relic chain and just stuck with doing coils instead at this stage if going to not enjoy doing either the more beneficial and quicker route might be coils in retrospect.

I suppose could turn around and say well you could do both but then I would be doing two things I do not enjoy very much instead of one, that doesn't seem like a good situation to me. So I hope news about what impact old relic chain will have on new one in the expansion comes soon, that way I will either be more inspired to finish it or less inspired and just go down a different route especially since I would like to have machinist, rogue, dark knight capped at some stage which means need to think about doing relic or not on those too on top of monk and bard which I already have level capped. On a side note I actually like 24-man raids though more so than 8-man raids like coils, it is more fun to me working with alliances of three groups of 8 than just one group.

TLDR: I hope information comes out soon about impact of old on new relics because I need inspiration to continue with the chain (and/or start the chains) on not only bard but also rogue, monk (two of which level capped and one close to level cap) but also future classes such as dark knight and machinist.