Now that it is "old content", could we get a nerf on Titan EX? (lag woes)

[Gardes]

Titan EX is a ping check.

It is, indeed. I used to get angry at fights like this because of where I'm playing from (lol china) but every since I got a vpn (local chinese company and afaik they just get me past the great firewall of china instead of taking me all the way across ocean), I've been able to pass it with 300 ping so the check isn't about the base latency. The check is about how many time outs you have.

I'm playing with 300 ping and I'm about to move countries soon (still in Asia) so naturally I'm averse to any kind of latency check of any kind (wish this kind of thing just didn't exist but that's just a utopian dream). But really, even if SE adjusted the game to be 600 ping friendly, people with intense amounts of *s will just keep finding trouble in trials. The question becomes who exactly is giving the player the time outs? Their ISP or SE's infamous level 3 node? Unless there's hard evidence that the prevalent culprit is on SE's end it's not on SE to make adjustments that will affect the experience of every player unless the issue is affecting the majority of the player base and SE risk losing a ton of sub money.

[Shadex]

Despite the incredible volume of players that have complained about the unique and poor design of this fight when it comes to any latency those with good pings will continue to tell those with bad pings that it is all their fault. It is a fascinating internet phenomenon that whenever one person is not having an issue with something it MUST mean that no one else can be and if they claim they are they are either lying or need to git gud. This fight is not fun period. It works for a small portion of the community where is even ones like Levi with its one shot mechanics are enjoyable if challenging to the majority. Do not dismay though folks, continue to bring it up despite the resistance of those who insist that anyone that can't do what they can do has to be terribad. There is a possibility that SE might listen. I mean they increased the drop rate so that more people could explore their My Little Pony fetish.

[Mercutial]

Here's the thing.... it's not the players who have this on farm ruining it for the those with latency issues. It's the vast number of players who use the old "Titan lag" crutch to excuse poor play. Anyone's who done this fight enough times knows when it's being thrown out as a BS excuse. You just get a feel for it. For example... the same player that is struggling with bomb formations is generally the same person eating LS's and plumes. Yet it's always lag blame followed sometimes by the oft hilarious "mystery DC".

I'm truly sorry for those with latency issues. I also believe that the problem is not as far-reaching as many make it out to be. It's a convenient crutch and unfortunately, those that truly have it are being sullied by the MANY others who don't have it but insist on it anyway.

[Shadex]

Here's the thing.... it's not the players who have this on farm ruining it for the those with latency issues. It's the vast number of players who use the old "Titan lag" crutch to excuse poor play...

If that were true we would hear a lot more identical complaints about all the end game twitch fights. You are saying that people are magically 'good' when doing Levi X and are able to handle those mechanics despite twitch times yet suddenly turn 'bad' in Titan X? People complain constantly about this one fight and have since the beginning because it is poorly designed for a game with notoriously bad connections for a lot of people. As I stated in my post above, people who are not experiencing this will be quick to dismiss or make up reasons of their own for why it is happening but it just simply cannot be the original reason mentioned. My FC can dance circles around all the other extremes and we have members from Australia yet Titan X is notoriously a pain.

[Bluevann]

I'm truly sorry for those with latency issues. I also believe that the problem is not as far-reaching as many make it out to be. It's a convenient crutch and unfortunately, those that truly have it are being sullied by the MANY others who don't have it but insist on it anyway.

Yes, I've got to the point where I wanted to record a video of what was going on on my screen to prove my statements (I always make it a principle to not lie, call me Lincoln ), because I just couldn't take the badmouthing anymore. The only reason I haven't done it is that I know keeping ANY other program running on my PC while I do this would only make the lag worse. Which is also why I won't use skype or teamspeak during it (not like I have been running this with people I voice-chat with. While my written English is okay, my understanding on spoken English is still poor. I'm a self-taught x_X).

Also, if it can be of any indication regarding my own reflexes, I won Titan HM on 1st try, in a DF party, without deaths. I don't know what it is in Titan EX that makes it more laggy than HM (or maybe the AoEs are just slower to cast in HM?), but I dare to think I have been doing my damned best to dodge the things.

Anyways, after two extensive days of attempts I have finally managed to get through it at least once, though dead on phase 4 (due to bombs, I reckon). I still think the battle should be addressed, and I am genuinely sorry if I have hurt the feelings of those who enjoy the fight as it is. I seriously thought there were more in my situation. In the end, I think I am just puzzled as of how this game has some content that is out of reach within its own minimum requirements for hardware or connection (and before you point fingers, no, my case is better than average for both hardware and connection as far as you can get in my country). To make content that demands higher requirements is not too far-fetched from Pay to Win in the end.

Again, I apologize to those who were offended by the suggestion and I hope you'll still have a good day even knowing someone out there has ideas you disapprove. I know I will.

[Mercutial]

If that were true we would hear a lot more identical complaints about all the end game twitch fights. You are saying that people are magically 'good' when doing Levi X and are able to handle those mechanics despite twitch times yet suddenly turn 'bad' in Titan X?

But there really isn't a "end game twitch fight" quite as unforgiving as Titan Ex, now is there? Please don't compare Levi EX to it.... they're not even in the same ballpark. I can skirt left then right, break my ankles and still dodge a dive. LS's and plumes require you to be a bit more on your toes.

Again... I'm not railing on those that truly have latency issues. Most notably, those far away from data centers. I'm just frustrated with the many who are blaming lag when it's obvious they don't have the fight down 100 percent. Which you have to in order to clear consistently. I'll say it one more time. Anybody who has run this fight tons of times just knows when a player is playing the lag card to excuse poor play. You can see it in how they're managing the rest of the fight outside of LS's and plumes. And I've seen this correlation enough to roll my eyes whenever I see "lag" typed out in the message box.

[DoctorPepper]

I say no thanks to this nerf.. While I've been effected by lag occasionally because of my 3mbps connection I found it fairly easy to learn the fight and dodge in anticipation even pre-echo. Now with echo you can completely skip the super bomb phase entirely. Yes, it can be difficult to get a good party for this but it's not impossible. To me the game needs a few challenges like this that make you feel really good when you finally beat it.

[Tiggy]

Despite the incredible volume of players that have complained about the unique and poor design of this fight when it comes to any latency those with good pings will continue to tell those with bad pings that it is all their fault. It is a fascinating internet phenomenon that whenever one person is not having an issue with something it MUST mean that no one else can be and if they claim they are they are either lying or need to git gud.

There are plenty of people who have said they can do it even with massive lag in the 300ms range. You're one size fits all generalizations fail. Is it easy to do that? No, but it's not impossible to learn the fight and still win consistently.

[Mercutial]

Now with echo you can completely skip the super bomb phase entirely.

Funny you should mention that. Beat it the other day and was thinking something was missing. Ah yes... super bomb. Must've skipped it. And even when it did appear in the next fight, it virtually melted. Someone was actually screaming to LB it. Kinda thought that was funny with DPS as geared up as they are nowadays.

[StouterTaru]

I say no thanks to this nerf.. While I've been effected by lag occasionally because of my 3mbps connection I found it fairly easy to learn the fight and dodge in anticipation even pre-echo. Now with echo you can completely skip the super bomb phase entirely. Yes, it can be difficult to get a good party for this but it's not impossible. To me the game needs a few challenges like this that make you feel really good when you finally beat it.

The game takes very little bandwidth; a 56k modem would be more than enough to handle the game if the ping time was low enough.

The issue is having 1 second to move a distance that takes half a second of movement time, and not knowing where you need to move to until you only have half a second left.