Raiding without caster (no magic dmg or AOE LB) --- DEVs plz look!

[Werhusky]

This goes both ways, its very annoying you need both to clear content without too much stress.

Content should be designed so it is clear-able 'for most' with any DPS make up you wish.

It is o.O Im with Asny in static... as mentioned 2 melee 2 bard static and maintank war. Cleared T9 with 3melee 2 bard setup, Cleared T5 in 1 tank 6 sch 1 melee setup. Cleared t5 and rammy in 4 bard setup..... What fight you think of that isnt clearable in ANY setup? The point is if you are common with mechanics and invest the time to UNDERSTAND em you dont need to care for setups. (well ok for sch runs overgearing is a must have :P)

[Sanguisio]

It is o.O Im with Asny in static... as mentioned 2 melee 2 bard static and maintank war. Cleared T9 with 3melee 2 bard setup, Cleared T5 in 1 tank 6 sch 1 melee setup. Cleared t5 and rammy in 4 bard setup..... What fight you think of that isnt clearable in ANY setup? The point is if you are common with mechanics and invest the time to UNDERSTAND em you dont need to care for setups. (well ok for sch runs overgearing is a must have :P)

Lol t9 and t5 you're funny...........please don't start with me about understand mechanics etc and then ref t9 and t5.

Lets see a grp clear t13 with 4 SMNs....... without being overgeared.

[Grotesque]

Lol t9 and t5 you're funny...........please don't start with me about understand mechanics etc and then ref t9 and t5.

Lets see a grp clear t13 with 4 SMNs....... without being overgeared.

Weeeeeeelll, 3 SMN, 1BRD. Mana song all the time Sounds like an interesting setup, and the WHM can go nutz on heals Cure 2 all the day. SCH goes DPS-only. Sounds legit to me

[Werhusky]

Lol t9 and t5 you're funny...........please don't start with me about understand mechanics etc and then ref t9 and t5.

Lets see a grp clear t13 with 4 SMNs....... without being overgeared.

Ok let me feel shame to be casual >.>
And no I doubt our group will have a caster either way when we reach T13. Im guessing without knowing any mechanic of T13 (also pls dont spoil) that nonmoving LB could be an issue. But well once you mentioned it I bet some ppl take it as a challenge :P

[Sanguisio]

Ok let me feel shame to be casual >.>
And no I doubt our group will have a caster either way when we reach T13. Im guessing without knowing any mechanic of T13 (also pls dont spoil) that nonmoving LB could be an issue. But well once you mentioned it I bet some ppl take it as a challenge :P

Sorry if I came off as a dick, I have a habit of flaring up when ever I suspect attitude Sorry for that.

It's more the need for burst damage, also melees can keep up buffs which help each other's dps, kinda sad that casters don't have the same.

[Werhusky]

Sorry if I came off as a dick, I have a habit of flaring up when ever I suspect attitude Sorry for that.

It's more the need for burst damage, also melees can keep up buffs which help each other's dps, kinda sad that casters don't have the same.

Dont worry I didnt take it personal

[siverstorm]

Lol t9 and t5 you're funny...........please don't start with me about understand mechanics etc and then ref t9 and t5.

Lets see a grp clear t13 with 4 SMNs....... without being overgeared.

I know its not exactly the same argument you're making but Lucrezia has a video of a t13 kill with 3 pre-buff dragoons in vit spec and a bard. Drg dps wasn't the worst in the world but it was significantly lower to nin and mnk, now couple that with every other negative (needing to be in vit spec for starters) the huge dps decrease brings you to Werhusky's point. If you can perform the mechanics perfectly then any party comp could do it.

Now 4 smns I dunno but, 3 smns and a bard could do it too if a group of good players decided to take a shot at it. If they need burst they could hold and co-ordinate festers. I could see it be done without full i130 gear.

[Sanguisio]

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Hey its cool, thanks for sharing that But yeah that is my point, content shouldnt dictate you have to gimp your char to do content.

[Maero]

I believe it was said the job's will have specific limit breaks and probably be re-worked.
This was said sometime ago and thought back then it would of been in 2.4 so probably in 3.0 or later now.
Perhaps Bard will finally have a real usefull limit break that does damage.
Rain of Death x50 ?
kidding
But i sure hope some changes are made.

[Frozenbear]

I believe it was said the job's will have specific limit breaks and probably be re-worked.
This was said sometime ago and thought back then it would of been in 2.4 so probably in 3.0 or later now.
Perhaps Bard will finally have a real usefull limit break that does damage.
Rain of Death x50 ?
kidding
But i sure hope some changes are made.

Unfortunately i talked to a friend i trust and he told me that the lvl 3 lb is the only thing being changed ;/ but we will see