2* 100% HQ token item NQ 1* mat (full melds required)

[tocsin]

If that's the case, I personally would replace WNII with Manipulation and ING with INGII.

It's the same 7 touches either way, and I think 1 and 2 stars get the same boost to touches/BB from ING and INGII. The difference for me is that I cross Mani and INGII, but not WNII or ING, and swapping out skills would be annoying.

okay, I just got home. How much crafts do you have, for 3 cs2 progress under ING2? assuming no lucis tool (because lucis tools are more work than im likely to ever want to put in) and FULLY melded everything else (+18 crafts, +4 control, +3 cp on off-hand), im sitting at 465 Crafts, which is not enough for 3 touch cs2. it runs out at 411/419.

also, can you post the rotation you would use, that allows 7 basics with sh2, and just manipulation? im just curious, because I fiddled with the crafting optimizer for like 4 hours the other day, and couldnt even get close using manipulation, without use of any non 100% success skills (no hasty, rapid, or TotT).

I do agree with you, though. the cross class skills I use on my classes are generally cs2, WN, WN2, manip, SH2, inno, ing, ing2, CZ, PbP, Byregots (losing one depending on which class im using.), but if you are a fan of the hasty RNG stuff, I could definitely see losing ing and wn2 for them.

[StouterTaru]

okay, I just got home. How much crafts do you have, for 3 cs2 progress under ING2?

I'm at work so no exact numbers, but I've got lucis and 490ish craftsmanship.

I was doing some of these last night, and getting 149 per CSII. Looks like you're getting 137 per, and need 140, so I would guess around 472 Craftsmanship to be able to 3 step it.

The rotation is pretty much the same as yours, CZ > IQ > SHII > 5xBT > Mani > SHII > 2xBT > SH > GS > INGII > Inno > BB > 3xCSII