Gold Saucer outfits, gender locked?

[lololink]

I have to wonder who they're "pleasing" with this gear dichotomy. Serious question, who would be pissed off if the gear was gender-neutral? Why is limiting player choice worth shallow, perfunctory apologism that doesn't actually say anything and winds up just sounding like marketing speak?

players with male characters would complain again not to have both outfits because SE doesn't seem to be willing to give all the outfits to everyone. ( Although we got the spring skirt )

[Teia]

Reread my question. I didn't specify that only one of the two sets would be gender-neutral.

[Niwashi]

players with male characters would complain again not to have both outfits because SE doesn't seem to be willing to give all the outfits to everyone. ( Although we got the spring skirt )

I'm pretty sure nobody would complain more about getting both choices than about being limited to one. That male characters should have as many skimpy sexy outfits as female characters do is just as important as that female characters should have as many nice outfits as males do. Leaving either one mis-matched between the genders leaves the sexism in place.

If SE only wants to create one new outfit for each gender, then they should both have similar outfits. If they want to create two highly different types of outfits, then both genders need one of each type. That could be either a matter of offering the same outfits to both genders or different but equivalent ones. The current offer, on the other hand, is not in the least bit equivalent.

[MrKweh]

I have to wonder who they're "pleasing" with this gear dichotomy. Serious question, who would be pissed off if the gear was gender-neutral? Why is limiting player choice worth shallow, perfunctory apologism that doesn't actually say anything and winds up just sounding like marketing speak?

....dear lord.
I'm cool with the new outfits. the gender lock is really not that big of a deal to me. It's not catastrophic and I think GS will have plenty of other entertaining items besides just those outfits alone. I hope you'll be able to enjoy them.

[Parodine]

....dear lord.
I'm cool with the new outfits. the gender lock is really not that big of a deal to me. It's not catastrophic and I think GS will have plenty of other entertaining items besides just those outfits alone. I hope you'll be able to enjoy them.

'It's not a big deal to me' -- because you get the objectively more detailed outfit. Try to understand how people playing female characters might feel.

[Fleur]

I don't understand why these would be gender locked.

Females can wear the best man suits in the game already. As for the bunny outfits for guys, it isn't as though they would have to be exactly the same for both genders; just look at the swimwear we have. And it isn't as though skimpy outfits designed for sex appeal are exclusively for females, right?

If the outfits are indeed gender locked I will find it disappointing, and also very sexist. I have come to expect better from SE in this regard.

[MrKweh]

'It's not a big deal to me' -- because you get the objectively more detailed outfit. Try to understand how people playing female characters might feel.

-Sigh-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXJ8Hyf97c

Female avatars get more attention than you think. Why else do a lot of men like to play as one?

[BellaEyria]

This x1000. I am deeply appreciative of the fact that this game 1.) allows me to design a character who looks like a real woman (so grateful for the boob and muscle sliders), and 2.) at least has options for gear that looks like armor that would actually protect her in a fight. When they do stuff like this that pigeon-holes females into the role of subservient eye candy, it is really disappointing, and it sends the message that they don't really GET it, or maybe just don't care.

... giving male characters an actually cool outfit based on a real character when making the female characters look like unnamed sex toys is not cool.

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They barely have clothes on and look like Playboy bunnies. If that isn't meant to be sexually titillating, I don't know what it is meant to be.

I am 100% with you...
This female outfit just look like those ones in sex-shops in real life seriously... what the...? why those kind of outfits in a game... again?
Don't we have enough of those kind of outfits already? ... !
I understand that some may like it... for fun... but please give us A CHOICE !!!!

SE, you already said that you didnt want each class to be able to glamor others class because "we wouldnt be able to recognize them" but well, we can fight in underwear and swimsuits, is this even logical...?

Everytime I've got a new set ingame I have to glamor some part to make it decent to look at...

[Ymal]

What is starting to bother me is people mostly mentioning that the problem is female char not having access to the male outfit...
If any changes are to be made I sure hope it's not to only make Setzer's outfit gender neutral... I can understand that the bunny outfit looks nothing compared to the male one (and i'm actually kind of happy that we get the 'good' one for once) but if it's to give yet again more glamour choices to female characters then it would keep being the same as always and achieve nothing.

[Teia]

-Sigh-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXJ8Hyf97c

So you're trying to make your point with a video about games that are extremely egregious about sexism in MMO equipment, an area where FF14 is usually much better than the rest, as if FF14 is anywhere near that bad? Or that players shouldn't expect SE to maintain that standard? You're not putting any real thought at all into your arguments, and it's showing, because your arguments either sound like "as long as FF14 has slightly more positive traits than negative traits, you'll keep playing it, and that excuses SE's bad decisions" or "FF14 should have blatant sexism because these other games also do."

Fact of the matter is both arguments flat-up don't work in the slightest, because they're ill-conceived and shortsighted apologism rather than actually logical arguments.