Conspiracy against SMN? Now content designed against SMN as well?

[Kona_Nightwind]

They need to add a caster hat made out of tinfoil.

[Bigcat9715]

Is doable not enough? Does the job have to outdo BLM at anything/everything? Your words are "burst mobs down far more easily and efficiently." Since when does SMN compete with BLM in a dungeon? I always thought the gaol was to kill the mob - however that's done is up to the player. The OP feels the new dungeons work against the job, but I haven't see anything like that (haven't done Wanderer's Palace as SMN yet). When the day arrives that SMNs can't complete a DPS check, then the job has a problem. Until that day, the job is fine.

SMN doesn't have to surpass BLM, but a middle ground would be nice. Even on a single target BLM still out does SMN.

[Dyvid]

Tell you what, run a dungeon as a MNK then tell me SMN is horrible on trash mobs.

[scarebearz]

Summoner's also are harder to play because they have to micro manage DoTs and cool downs to maximize DPS while Black Mage are simple to play with a easy rotation.

From my experiance in DF, for most movement heavy fights (e.g. titan hm), bad SMN's do more damage than bad BLM's

It may be hard to do good dps on SMN, but the same can be said for BLM. Regardless of their "easy rotation", maintaining dps while dealing with mechanics is not so easy.

[Sunako]

Reason why BLM surpass SMN so hard in singletarget fight is that they scale so well with selene and get so much more benefits from the spell speed. Without selene SMN and BLM dps is almost same I think. Smn also get more benefit from slashing/blunt debuff + foe than BLM foe alone if scholar wanna use eos.

[Brianmj]

SMN doesn't have to surpass BLM, but a middle ground would be nice. Even on a single target BLM still out does SMN.

There wont be any middle ground. As soon as SMN gets buffed, BLMs will start complaining. And the cycle begins anew. The community has taken the game out of Final Fantasy. Efficiency is a term for the workplace, not games, but somehow, I don't know where or when, it has seethed into MMOs and strangled everything considered fun. It's all about which job is best.

And this is all on top of using a tool that against the ToS. Nobody is suppose to know how much DPS they do, yet people are on the official forums complaining about weak damage. Out of spite, Square should do nothing about Summoner's DPS. The community is asking to resolve a non-issue it should know nothing about. They wont show pictures of their parses for fear of action being taken against their account, but have no problem repeating the mantra "Summoner dps is weak, it's 50 below Black Mage". It's ridiculous.

Why stretch yourself to be affected by finickiness of the communty? Shouldn't it be about why you play the job? I still enjoy playing Summoner. I guess the only for that is because I don't parse as I'm one of three or four people on these boards that don't have a problem with the job. There have been no threads about Summoner being unable to complete any of the dungeons or raids. All the threads have been about DPS. The community's stupid tool have warped people's minds.

[Sunako]

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Half of those SMN treads also have nothing 2 do with actual dps. Dunno how long have you been there but Akiza have bumped those SMN treads since 2.0

[Sen_Terrechant]

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Oh yeah...

Cause buffing DRG literally shoved out both MNK and NIN from the endgame.

Furthermore it IS an issue. The fact you think it isnt an issue is hilarious and shows youve never played SMN in any content thats worth anything.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Content isn't designed against the Summoner SE just wanted to make more challenging content. The new content revealed the broken design of the Summoner that people were complaining about since 2.0. Summoner is broken in these areas they lack sustain damage, burst and AoE damage. Summoner's also are harder to play because they have to micro manage DoTs and cool downs to maximize DPS while Black Mage are simple to play with a easy rotation. DoT classes are inherently broken as DPS and lack a lot of skills needed to be an effective DPS in challenging and hardcore end game content but they make great bubble healers.

I have noticed that. With SCH, the DoTs are fine as damage dealing is secondary to its main role, but as primary damage dealing it's not very practical.

[Brianmj]

Half of those SMN treads also have nothing 2 do with actual dps. Dunno how long have you been there but Akiza have bumped those SMN treads since 2.0

One set of the Summoner threads deals with Summoner not feeling like a traditional Summoner, the others deal with DPS issues, both of which Akiza participate in. This thread is one concerning DPS because the OP feels Summoner is inadequate for new dungeons. She raised the issue of not being able to burst down groups of monsters as well as BLM.. Did she complete dps check/fight? There was no mention that she was unable to; all that was mentioned was that it was more difficult with Summoner. That sounds like a challenge to me. She also had to use Energy drain more than normal, and had to micro-manage the pet. Hmmm... Yes there is a conspiracy against Summoner. Square wants people to play the job to the fullest extent instead of focusing on a small set of its abilities.

You know what, completing a dungeon doesn't seem to be enough any more. Apparently dungeons are subject to the rules of raids: they must be done as quickly and efficiently as possible. Speed run all dungeons! Run the dungeon in a way it wasn't designed to be done! Look, the tank decided to pull 30 monsters! What could possibly go wrong? Next time you get a SMN or MNK in a dungeon, just voke kick them, cause they'll just slow you down.

Oh yeah...

Cause buffing DRG literally shoved out both MNK and NIN from the endgame.

Furthermore it IS an issue. The fact you think it isnt an issue is hilarious and shows youve never played SMN in any content thats worth anything.

Isn't there a mass exodus of SMNs going to BLM right now? I'm on T8 right now, I know nothing about FCoB. All I'm aware of is there are MP issues right now in the final coil. So let me ask you. Is Summoner incapable of meeting any of the DPS checks in the FCoB? Is the job incapable of completing any of the turns?