20 item limit per retainer for the Market Board stifles economy

[Levis]

The problem with bazaars is finding who is selling the things you need. A bazaar is tied to a character, and a character can be anywhere in the world. Even if you find one selling something you want, there's no easy way to compare prices on what that character is selling.

Unless these problems are solved, please, PLEASE no bazaars. FFXI had a bazaar system, and lots of items that could ONLY be sold on bazaar, not on the general auction house. The only way you could effectively SELL under this system is to park your AFK character in one of the unofficial bazaar selling areas (which at its worst got so congested SE had to ban bazaars within certain areas for a time) for hours or days at a time. The only way you could effectivley BUY under this system was to spend a half hour or more examining bazaar after bazaar, often ending up never finding what you're looking for at all (or finding it vastly overpriced).

However... if these problems ARE solved, what, exactly, makes a bazaar any different from a marketboard?

I honestly have a hard time understanding why anyone would be enthusiastic about a bazaar system. The marketboards work wonderfully well just as they are.

Well FFXI has a website called FFXIAH.com where you can look up what people are selling in there bazaars and for how much. The site even has a PM function so you can message them.

I loved the bazaar system for going AFK or if i wanted to leave the game on overnight. Post up near a BG fight selling yag drinks/potions (cause people forget to buy there stuff all the time :P). All in all it is nice just to have the option regardless of whether you choose to use it or not.

[Gardes]

I fully support this and will be putting up more 999,999,999 priced items on the market board if SE follows through with this.

[NefarioCall]

PS3 Limitations?

[MomomiMomi]

You have it completely backwards. Because of the item slot restriction there is low supply for low level items of which there is also low demand (crafting materials used in very few recipes). In low supply and low demand situations it is extremely easy to buy everything that's up and resell it for massively inflated prices. This change will increase the supply of many items and with an increased supply it becomes much harder to buy, markup, and resell.

But if someone is buying up everything, then it's no longer a low demand situation. Other crafters can then make more of them extremely easily. The person trying to inflate the prices will just end up with far more than they could possibly sell, because there's no real demand for it.

[FranSeara]

Hm, I don't want bots to have a bigger part of the market than they already do. :/

If I gather mats, I'll just get one full stack. When I go to sell on the mb, I'll post stacks of multiples of 3 or 10 depending on if it's used more for crafting or GC turn ins. I know I tend to avoid buying from folks that put up more than 5 of the same item, so I will only post 2 or 3 of the same item in each city. If it sells quickly, I'll turn around and post another stack in the same city. If not, I won't gather any more of that item. The leftover mats sit in my retainer inventories til they are needed.

Same Here. Rosa, is that a new hair style??

[Ashkendor]

I mentioned this on another thread! and all I was met with was a couple people saying it would destroy the economy :P

I still think this is the single most beneficial thing they could do for the market board right now. So frustrating that you cant buy the amount you need :P

I don't think anyone really said it would destroy the economy. Many people said it would change the economy.

Personally, I'm against it because I (as many other people do) make much of my profit catering to the demand for small quantities of an item. If I list an item in bulk it's because I want to get rid of it in bulk, not have people picking at it and taking what they want at the low bulk price. So, I list in singles or stacks of 3-5 at a higher price to meet the demand for smaller amounts of things like ingots, leather, and lumber. If we were to allow picking from stacks, all that would happen is the price would meet somewhere in the middle. The "bulk discount" would no longer apply. As someone that frequently buys in bulk for crafting purposes, I dislike this as well.

I think the market is fine as it is. If you learn to work with it, it can make you an amazing amount of money. As far as retainer space, I find the 20 item limit to be pretty generous considering you can have 4 retainers. Even with 4, often I have to pick and choose what I'm listing (mostly because I list in small amounts). The rest I put aside for a time when a huge chunk of my supply gets bought out, so that I have something else to list. I try to keep my retainers' market listings as full as possible at all times and I seem to be doing alright by myself.

[Sadana]

Rosa, is that a new hair style??

Yes, haha. ^^ I know change is rare for me. ^^;

[lyndwyrm]

I mostly sell higher value items myself, never really selling anything I can't get 10k for. So 40 slots is fine for me.

You see, I think this is half the point the OP is getting at. What is the value of the slot you're putting an item in? If you're a major crafter/gatherer the value of those slots goes up. If you're left with 1 HQ Paprika, for whatever reason, and one should sell for about 200 gil on the MB, do you put it up? If you have an excess of slots, sure, why not? If you have 40-80 items up on the MB already, what will you have to take down to put it up and what is the value of the item taken down? If I have a choice between 10 walnut lumber at 300 gil apiece and that paprika, then I'll either vendor the paprika or hoard it until I have room. Also therefore, it creates an incentive for sellers to only sell high price stacks (either high value per item or a large number of items). With the incentive to sell in bulk or high value, it discourages smaller transactions.

Now then, one, this has been framed on the idea that you run out of slots to sell things before you run out of things to sell, which for many people isn't the case. Two, this is more of a problem for lower level items that are worth less than higher level items because of profit priority. Three, if you sell cheaper, then your items will sell faster leaving you with more slots to use; however, selling cheaper also cuts into your profits, and if you are competing with others in that situation, then it cuts into their profits too.

[Welsper59]

They need to put bazaars bavk in game imo.

Thinking of XI and all the rows upon rows of people standing around (usually AFK) Upper Jeuno, Lower Jeuno, outside zones of Jeuno, etc makes me reflect on how much time I spent running around one by one searching them. Same for XIV 1.0, except far worse prior to the UI search option... although it wasn't very good of one, so you'd end up searching one by one anyway for deals. You know, that time spent was a little fun for what it was. You'd often come across some good deals on stuff, and thus, feel all right about the time spent in the end.

[Zenaku]

They need to put bazaars bavk in game imo.

You crazy so we have one area full of AFK players and you have to search 50000 afk for a item? No thanks we did this in FFXI we did this in 1.0 it did not work we don't need it.