Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Tiggy]

...and yet your response to my comment is filled with bias against the casual crowd citing examples as to why your own bias exists. Your reply is in essence hypocritical because it does the same thing in the first large paragraph that you claimed I was doing. Oh the irony...

No I'm pointing out that it isn't just one group that is that Toxic. Once again trying to read everything through that bias instead of just seeing it for what it is and then slinging more prejudice around. It's not irony. It's called an example. Nothing I said comes from a place of elitism in the slightest. It was just a comment about my own observations from the last year and a half of play. Perfectly valid observations I may add.

Once again you're the one being toxic. It's funny how you seem to defend being that toxic like you're somehow justified. Even if I was being toxic it isn't justification for you to act that way too. Two wrongs do not make a right. You're behavior is still unacceptable.

[Snugglebutt]

No I'm pointing out that it isn't just one group that is that Toxic. Once again trying to read everything through that bias instead of just seeing it for what it is and then slinging more prejudice around. It's not irony. It's called an example.

Actually you said the casual crowd is more toxic...not just as toxic, contains toxic elements or equally as toxic. Again you might as well stop there, your comment was full of personal bias also which you have now further admitted and I pointed out the hypocrisy of your reply when you decided to bash me for my comment, there is no getting out of that hole. What you said was hypocritical, so just own it and move on instead of trying to dig your way out. I was slightly mean in my first paragraph on the other page when said the current situation amuses me about the hardcore raiders attitudes if that helps you admit your hypocrisy and move on but do not pretend that you were not doing exactly the same thing you complained about me doing.

[Tiggy]

Actually you said the casual crowd is more toxic...not just as toxic, contains toxic elements or equally as toxic.

It was an example of my personal experience since the game launched. Not an absolute. If you read that as an absolute then it's all in your own head because that's not how I meant it. Get over it. What I've seen IS valid. You arguing about it won't change any of that. It won't erase my bad memories of those moments or from the brains of my friends who saw it too. Your opinion has no bearing on our memories.

You're just trying to justify your prejudices. I don't care about your reasons. You're still being prejudiced.

[Snugglebutt]

It was an example of my personal experience. Not an absolute. Get over it. What I've seen IS valid.

More irony, I told you to get over your hypocrisy and move on and now your telling me to get over it...really?

You complained I was using personal bias = example of personal experience you admit to using in your replies.

You bashed me for saying hardcore raiders are toxic = your response was claiming casuals are more toxic.

You tell me to get over it = I told you to move on prior to you telling me to get over it.

Do you seriously not see the irony or hypocrisy in any of those situations?

[Tiggy]

I don't care what I've said because it doesn't change the message of your original message that I responded to which riddled full of prejudice. You did that. YOU. Without anyone else saying anything to entice you. That prejudice is yours and yours alone and our conversations since then doesn't give you ANY excuses to justify it. It's disgusting and toxic. The way you keep trying to justify it by using me a straw man is gross.

Not a single thing I've said justifies your outward prejudices. Not one thing.

[Snugglebutt]

I don't care what I've said. Your original paragraph that I responded to was full of prejudice. You did that. YOU. Without anyone else saying anything to entice you. That prejudice is yours and yours alone and our conversations since then doesn't give you ANY excuses to justify it. It's disgusting and toxic. The way you keep trying to justify it by using me a straw man is gross.

My reply was about the pre-existing prejudice/stance shown within this thread from the hardcore raiding community. Do not make out that I started something when my reply was in response to what has been going on throughout this thread and the comments made by others on the subject. Do not also claim innocence when you then go on to do the exact thing you complain about me doing then pretend you never did such. Since you seem unable to take my advice and admit to your own mistakes unlike me who admitted I was slightly mean in my first paragraph on the other page...I will be the bigger person and stop responding to you given you seem unable to stop when I first asked you to do so after pointing out the hypocrisy of your reply.

Feel free to have the last word if makes you feel better.

[Gardes]

No they don't and no they wouldn't on anywhere near the scale you claim.

Where is your evidence? Pony farms are hot right now despite the fights providing outdated combat gear, vanity gears are the among the hottest selling items around, minions are among the most expensive items on the market board, glamor crystals sell for triple digits of what they actually cost to make. Vanity makes eorzea spin. There is no question about that.

How about this? You know how leveling gear are all simple and down to earth? How about SE suddenly make every single gear past level 50 attainable outside of coil ALL look like these. Then puts ALL the fancy looking gear, including the lvl 1 glamour ones (swimsuits, spring dresses, etc) into coil as lvl 1 gear plus all the minions and mounts as coil rewards AND THEN remove all dyes and glamour shards from the marketboard and npc merchants and the recipe books of every single player in the game and make them only drop in coil as untrade-ables. This way every single player only gets combat gear outside of gear and everybody can easily have i130 gear easily but only coil raiders can look fancy and everybody else gets to look plain.

Then we reveal that this is all your idea to the world. Do you really think you'll be seen as the savior of the populace at large?

Btw, please stop throwing the word "fallacious" around to diss people's argument against you when you keep making them yourself.

[loreleidiangelo]

I don't even understand how this thread devolved into "filthy casuals shouldn't get MUH GEARS" when they are ALREADY seeing an increased ilevel due to Twines being added to hunting. @__@ This thread is supposed to be about gear itemization sucking a little less for SCH/SMN/BRD via the potential to upgrade WoD gear (using the SAME ITEM you use to upgrade your Poetics gear, even! sheesh).

Running WoD forever in the hopes of seeing a semi-decent item drop AND hoping you win the roll on it AND being limited to one piece a week really isn't any "easier" than capping Poetics weekly, and you'd still need to hunt/Coil to get the item to upgrade it.

Where's the problem?

[Snugglebutt]

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Melodramatic much? My comment and stance = some vanity items from raids to satisfy ego equaling probably no more than a couple items some of which already exist in it. Your response = all vanity items put into coils...Really?

[Gardes]

Melodramatic much? My comment and stance = some vanity items from raids to satisfy ego equaling probably no more than a couple items some of which already exist in it. Your response = all vanity items put into coils...Really?

It fulfills exactly the condition you set. Everybody gets to benefit from combat power boosts and 'all vanity in coil' falls in line with your accusation that raiders are all about egos and your claim that people will not care that minions of characters they have come to love (or other vanities) be stuck inside coil.