Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Dhex]

I personally liked 2.1 where there was a decent range of items at the same level so I support this idea.

[Kazumac]

*snip*

So essentially making suggestions about the design of the game shouldn't be made if it is different than the current game design... In a thread suggesting a change to the current design... All because we aren't the final decision makers on the matter?

I think It is safe to say you can be ignored at this point.

[ZhycranaDranix]

I support this idea and I'm a high end game raider

WoD holds seemingly a lot of BiS due to secondary stats alone I.E SCH

Dread Gloves/Ironworks Augmented both have spell speed neither have crit while you get a +22 with WoD with 3 MND lost but guess what the det makes up for it

WoD Hat +27 crit ......Augmented has +22

WoD Belt same

Lol just upgrade these and be OP

[Krr]

Let's see here...

-WoD itemization is largely unique from both FCOB and Ironworks itemization. While some WoD pieces will become BIS, many Dreadwyrm items will still be better.
-Dreadwyrm weapons are still the strongest in the game.
-The rate of progression through WoD doesn't increase. You still need to spend Twine to advance.
-Coil raiders can now use their Twine for more potentially good options, increasing the value of Coil's weekly Twine.
-i130 gear will be accessible to every player once Twine is added to CT dungeons regardless.
-WoD gear gains actual value for things other than cosmetics and alts.

What's the problem again?

[Kiroh]

So essentially making suggestions about the design of the game shouldn't be made if it is different than the current game design... In a thread suggesting a change to the current design... All because we aren't the final decision makers on the matter?

I think It is safe to say you can be ignored at this point.

They release hunts, people whine that you can get sands outside of coil.
They release sands directly into ST, people whine no one is doing hunts anymore.
They release new tome gear with a new upgrade item available only in coil until the next patch.
They release the new upgrade items to hunts.
People whine you can get upgrade items outside of coil again.

I think it's safe to say you've already been ignored.

Say whatever you want, feel whatever you feel and believe whatever you believe it's not going to change. You've whined about it before, they didn't listen. You're whining about it again, they won't listen. This is the way they intend the game to work whether you like it or not. Your opinions are not going to change it, and your whining is not going to make other players' 130 gear magically drop to a lower ilevel to soothe your ego.

I apologize, but what exactly do thing General Discussion threads are for? DISCUSSING STUFF. If you're content with how the game is, and you are so self-assured that nothing anyone says on GD will ever make it to the Devs' ears thus creating change, then please do us all the favor of taking the horse you are so high on and leave. You have no business posting one more word since your approach is essentially (paraphrasing) nothing anyone who pays SE's bills says will ever change anything. PWNED.

Unless you and a sufficient group of others like you are willing to stop paying, it won't change. The truth is that's you're not paying SE's bills, you're lining their pockets. They don't rely on XIV to keep the lights on and they could easily shut it down tomorrow and still be in the green with plenty left over. Your (individual) subscription is essentially worthless and if you left tomorrow 5 people would replace you in a matter of weeks.

You're not discussing anything, you're just whining that other people can get ilevel equivalent gear because "wahh I ran coil, I'm speshial!". That's not a discussion, it's throwing a tantrum.

Normally, this is acceptable to me. However, Alexander and the new gear are NOT released yet and there's not even a definitive release date yet. Nothing holds SE accountable. Nothing prevents them from saying, "We're pushing the expansion back because it's not ready to ship yet. Sorry, please wait until December." So in all this time while FCoB is still THE MOST relevant endgame content, all of our (the people who have put time and effort into Coils) work is pointless beyond the storyline which everyone can find on Youtube. SE is devaluing their own content prematurely. THAT is what the 19 pages are about.

And when sand came out in hunts 110 was still the highest ilevel in the game (for armor) too. Nothing has changed, this situation is not new and higher ilevel gear will be coming out eventually.

...Also, explain to me why SE completely remade this entire game once already to satisfy the will of their subscribers because people said, "We want change. You disappointed us."

Unless you and a sufficient group of others like you are willing to stop paying....

You are in no position (in all PROBability) to comment on SE's finances.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...l-report-2014/

[Sorrik]

@ Krr

The problem here is not debating the merits of a wider variation of gear sets. What I and the others opposed to the OP are saying in 19 pages is that an iLvl discussion. We (at least ... I really want to use the word WE here, but I cannot speak for all) no, I feel that 130 iLvl items should not be so easily accessible. This was summed up nicely by KumaBea76 on page 7. The basis of my opposition against OP is simple. Casuals (again not using this in a disrespectful way only as a shorter term to label non-coilers) in the current FFXIV already have twines, coats, and WoD BiS pieces (in Bard's - Chest case for example better than poetics 130 and coil 130) handed to them with pretty much nothing of them required. I've stated already it is not effort to stalk Hunt LS notifications.

[Sorrik]

Normally, this is acceptable to me. However, Alexander and the new gear are NOT released yet and there's not even a definitive release date yet. Nothing holds SE accountable. Nothing prevents them from saying, "We're pushing the expansion back because it's not ready to ship yet. Sorry, please wait until December." So in all this time while FCoB is still THE MOST relevant endgame content, all of our (the people who have put time and effort into Coils) work is pointless beyond the storyline which everyone can find on Youtube. SE is devaluing their own content prematurely. THAT is what the 19 pages are about.

[Sorrik]

Unless you and a sufficient group of others like you are willing to stop paying, it won't change. The truth is that's you're not paying SE's bills, you're lining their pockets. They don't rely on XIV to keep the lights on and they could easily shut it down tomorrow and still be in the green with plenty left over. Your (individual) subscription is essentially worthless and if you left tomorrow 5 people would replace you in a matter of weeks.

You're not discussing anything, you're just whining that other people can get ilevel equivalent gear because "wahh I ran coil, I'm speshial!". That's not a discussion, it's throwing a tantrum.

You are in no position (in all PROBability) to comment on SE's finances. Also, explain to me why SE completely remade this entire game once already to satisfy the will of their subscribers because people said, "We want change. You disappointed us."

[Sorrik]

@ Kiroh

Posting arbitrary articles still puts you in no position to account for SE's finances ... like ... AT ALL. What is 2,104,714,000 dollars in SALES if it costs 2,104,713,999 dollars to maintain their massive empire of a company? If you can't do math (which is probably likely judging on the quality of your posts in this thread overall), then I will tell you that would be 1 dollar in PROFITS. Ctrl+F that article you linked for the word "profit" ... it's not there; I can save you the time.

Regarding your "sand came out in hunts" comment, you are right, nothing has changed ... yet. Please stop being arrogant and assuming the status quo will stay forever. You have no crystal ball and no legs to stand on. How long do you think it took for the Devs to realize FFXIV 1.0 was a flop? It didn't happen overnight; Change never does.

[Sorrik]

Regarding your quote of your own earlier words to evade giving a rational and real retort to me, it is not required that subscribers stop paying their subscriptions to FFXIV: ARR in order for change to happen. You do know that probably thousands of people were still playing FFXIV 1.0 the day that the Devs kicked them all out of the servers because they were going to trash and remake the game, right?

You are really, really bad at holding an intellectual conversation. I have not insulted you once yet (intentionally), but seriously dude ... you're pretty crap at bringing up legitimate points.