You are not a fail.

[Wobi]

I would not call them a fail but there comes a point where you endanger the the completion of the run, for easy content like most dungeons that's all well and good but if you are not at least trying to push your characters to the limit for more difficult content and you wipe then you share in the blame.

As for healers not DPS'ing, this literally baffles me. The entire conjury story line teaches the merits of using all your abilities and not just healing. The Scholar quests have you healing and DPS as well, healing alone would never allow you to beat them. If the run is going just fine and you are sitting on nearly full MP and cannot be bothered to toss out at least a Bio/Aero here and there to speed things along a little bit then you are just being plain lazy. End of story.

As for new players wanting to choose to do certain mechanics, they need to check with the rest of the party to make sure everyone is on the same page. Because if one group is doing the fight one way and half the group is using a different strategy you're gonna have a bad time. People play differently and you should be open to new ideas, some of these "speed" mechanics actually make some fights considerably less stressful on new players as long as they can attempt to give it a try. I'm sure the devs never imagined a group would tank Leviathan Extreme with two Titan-Egis but I watched a group who cleared it and it looked like a blast but clearly did not follow the devs idea of how the fight would play out.

The important point is if you have a difference of playstyle with someone is to try and not act like a tool about the entire thing and work out some manner of compromise. I've seen people explode over helpful suggestions to make things easier for them and they scream. "DON'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY!!!" The sooner everyone gets over themselves the better the community will be as a whole.

[Shirana]

U are all right. Everyone is right here. And majority rules, true. But OP will allways be right nevertheless...they are not a fail and no one should be harassed for anything This count for any mmo and RL, too. Be tolerant.

this is exactly what i mean.
Majority rules, that's fine. Otherwise arguments may never be settled. There's always the option to leave, make pre-made parties, ask for courtesy for slower runs or whatever. Having opinions of others is a basic human right. Giving advice is perfectly natural.
But being rude about it is completely unnecessary.

[Kosmos992k]

Semantics is about the meaning. Two different verbs are not semantics as they can drastically alter the meaning of an actual sentence.

And none of this in any way goes to the original post. The tactic of deconstructing the sentence structure and wording of someone's post ignores the merits of their post and reduces the discussion to linguistics. I do not need to remind you of what kind of poster does that do I?

[Fyce]

Well done you for reducing the argument to semantics and not merits...

Well, that's the only thing we can argue about on that boring topic with a catchy title.

- If the point of the OP is "don't force someone do to something they can't do", then the correct answer is "duh, thanks Captain Obvious".
- However, if his/her point is to say "people should play like they want"... then there's a bit more to discuss here about selfishness and entitlement to waste other player's time.

... And since the last paragraph of the OP gives the hint, then yeah...

"Duh".

[Daranion]

Fixed it for you...

Kosmos, are you also against using the pits to bait dives on twintania, using line of sight method on turn 6, enrage timer in T2, doing more DPS to Galsya Labadabadoo in Syrcus Tower to dodge his jumpy platform part, and many other different strategies just because the creators didn't design it that way? Because if you do, your inflexibility would be causing the community more problems than just speedrunners and people complaining about lazy healers

[Magusrex]

When I was new to the game, it would warn people that someone was new. I would say "first time here". I ran into to great people and awful people. Some people would be incredibly generous, with their time and patience. To all those people who are patient and generous, and even if you were not kind to me, but that is who you are and how you behave to all you encounter. I SEE YOU, I FEEL YOU. THANK YOU for being you from the bottom of my heart.

The other people who ignored me, ran off and pulled as many mobs as possible and were cruel when we wiped. I am not mad at you, I feel sorry for you. I am more geared and experienced now, I play a WHM and my wife BRD. We join, you run off without asking, we do incredible speed runs, I Holy the crap out of giant groups and my wife sings and AOEs with me. You thank us for our runs. I could have gotten to this point faster and much more happily if you had just taken some of your time and shown a small amount courtesy.

[Dwill]

Fixed it for you...

Except no. The way the game is intended to be played is the players can do within the rules of the game. If the game intended for healers to not damage, they wouldn't have nearly a third of their arsenal of spells being offensive spells nor would Cleric Stance even exists. The game doesn't intend for players to always and do mechanics every single time when they can easily be skipped (Normal Amdapor Keep's last boss) when reaching a certain treshold of gear.

The game doesn't resolve around higher geared people but it sure as well doesn't revolve around the lower geared people or the "I play how I want" mentality.

And none of this in any way goes to the original post. The tactic of deconstructing the sentence structure and wording of someone's post ignores the merits of their post and reduces the discussion to linguistics. I do not need to remind you of what kind of poster does that do I?

Except it actually does go to the original post because the two verbs gives two different road to the topic at hand. It's clear as day that this topic is a "I play like I want because it's my 15$ while foregoing the other 45$ of the party".

Kosmos, are you also against using the pits to bait dives on twintania, using line of sight method on turn 6, enrage timer in T2, doing more DPS to Galsya Labadabadoo in Syrcus Tower to dodge his jumpy platform part, and many other different strategies just because the creators didn't design it that way? Because if you do, your inflexibility would be causing the community more problems than just speedrunners and people complaining about lazy healers

Pretty much and I'm willing to bet said person at least uses one of these strategies therefore making his stance quite hypocriticial since he would be cherry-picking whichsituation is good and which is bad based on his own pre-conceived notions.

[Shirana]

Well, that's the only thing we can argue about on that boring topic with a catchy title.

- If the point of the OP is "don't force someone do to something they can't do", then the correct answer is "duh, thanks Captain Obvious".
- However, if his/her point is to say "people should play like they want"... then there's a bit more to discuss here about selfishness and entitlement to waste other player's time.

... And since the last paragraph of the OP gives the hint, then yeah...

"Duh".

the point is people should play like they want. For fun. And not being harassed over it. Or shouted at for not being good enough for a forced play style.
When an undergeared healer is being harassed for failing to speed run a dungeon it's not playing for fun it's being told what to do in an angry manner. When a tank doesn't find speed runs fun he shouldn't be harassed for not doing speed runs. When a DPS doesn't enjoy spamming crappy AoE's because he or she does not fun to spam one button he or she shouldn't be shouted at for it or treated differently.
I apologize if my point came off wrong. I'm not in anyway a master of making essays.

[FranSeara]

OP, I find the easiest way to stop speed runners is to : show up at item level (hide your Nexus weapons) and don't use AOEs or use very few, pretend to run out of tp...and let the tank die a few times (you can do this as a Dps to) All the while no one will ever know what you are doing. Most times the tanks just Rage Quits. Remember, "There's always a way"

[Chihaya]

Fixed it for you...

So playing how you want without care of other players is how DF is intended these days, kay.

Think there's a difference between a forced speedrun that wipes the party than going slightly faster for the sake making the run easier/less boring.
If you healer is standing around doing jackshit 80% of time, maybe pull more if they aren't willing to dps.
3 people decide to burn boss (ei tyrant in sirius, 1st boss in cutters) and you decided say fk u to your party and do what you want making it harder for everyone.
Your party decide to handle some boss mechanics in some way and you decided otherwise screwing your party is INTENDED. aka coil/ct series.

It's DF, you meet 3-23 other people, be a bit compromising.